by the way here is my boat, o you know im not jokin around!! KEOKE 225 sea ray! with cannon mag 10 electric, 18ft outriggers, lowrance gps and chartplotter, auto pilot, planner boards...i go in first week of april every yr.. and hey trolling keuka, whats your boats name? maybe ive seen ya on the water, we hung out near lodi and long point during the derby...