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I know that, but that board the rod holders are on is held in place with carriage bolts in the oar locks and when there is pressure on the rods it tips back. I didn't have the time to remedy that before I got out there. I tested that board out last summer a couple times with just the two Scotty rodholders and realized it tipped but I was running slide divers and I was alone which made it just about impossible to reel anything in so I gave up on the idea. I just decided to live with it for this trip. My original plan was this! I was going to use the two cheap eagle claw rod holders ($4) clamped on the gunwales for the board rods (which would have had the rods positioned straight up and down) and then use the two Scotty's for my "rigger rods". I was going to hang a small ball (6-8#) on 4-5' of planer board line tied to the handles on the back of the boat with a release on the back of them. I was going to run my spoons off of those and put the rods in the Scotty's. The problem was the cheap rod holders wouldn't clamp on the sides of the boat (too thin) so I had to back up and punt. Those cheap holders would barely clamp onto the 2x4 board! I cranked them down with pliers until the backplate was dug into the board a 1/2" and they still moved as soon as we put rods in them. I decided to just flat line the spoons with weight to avoid the rod holders not being sufficient to hold the rods under pressure and I didn't feel like making the run to get the balls out of a friends boat and I wasn't going to spend $40/ea on the balls they had at F&S or Gander.

Heard it was going to be warm on Saturday while at work on Friday so I decided I was going to try and get out and fish for browns. I left work, picked up my 14' aluminum from where it was being stored, drove home and changed clothes, drove to my dad's to get the motor, drove to my storage unit to get my gear, went to F&S and Gander to get a net, inline planers (stupidly bought two left side church boards in the process), and a net. Spent until almost midnight trying to rig it up so I could run 4 lines. I stopped at Mitchell's and bought an interchangeable Off Shore Tackle inline board. We launched at about 7am, motor started after a couple pulls and ran perfectly! We headed east and setup at Shipbuilder's. We ran an inline planer off each side with a J-11 back 100' (firetiger and gold/black) and we ran two spoons flat out the back 45-60', with a michigan stinger goby and a FLT UV Green Alewife) with a 1oz weight about 5' in front of them. It didn't take long to hook the first one and it was what you hope for when out brown fishing after that. We ended up with a flurry and managed to catch a fish on every rod before getting that first one re-set. My friend Mark did all the reeling, I just drove the little tiller motor. We picked up 2 more before the park and then hit a lull in the action as we didn't get a bite from the park to just past Hedge's. We pulled the rods and ran back to the park and picked up two more before we got to shipbuilders. My friend who did all the reeling in had to be on land at 10:30 so we pulled them and headed in after ending on a fish. We went 8/8 in a little more than 3hrs. 7 Browns and 1 Laker, 1 nice brown and the rest were cookie cutters or close to that. All those above lures caught fish, but the firetiger J-11 was the most productive even after swapping out the gold/black for a firetiger solid stickbait. I only checked surface temp once and it was 37.5. We didn't have a depth finder so I just drove where I thought I should be and when the action slowed I zig-zagged. We caught most of our fish in what my navionics app and said was the 10-14' range doing 2.5-2.7 on the app, but we did find one in real tight where I was nervous about snagging bottom or hitting a rock. Wish I could have stayed out there all day, it was beautiful out. It was awesome to go out on a whim and make it happen with a less than ideal setup...but if you want to fish bad enough you do what you have to! I did notice immediately that the offshore tackle board performed much better than the church board that was the same size. I stopped back and bought another one so I could retire the church boards. I like the orange color and the pin in the back of the church boards better but they barely pulled away from the boat in comparison to the OST one. It's a great time to get new people out and on a bunch of fish...go take someone new out there and show them how fun it can be!

"Let's go fishing!" Good luck guys, had to beat you to the punch! Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Here's a good example of a real life situation. Even though the mountain lion isn't considered livestock, the attitude would be the same. I'd shot, a lion would be investigated to find out its origin but you won't get in trouble. I saw mention of them being on an endangered list but the Lions that one inhabited the NE are actually on the extinct list or there is strong evidence to put it on the list but as is common, there might be hesitation. http://www.oneidadispatch.com//general-news/20141124/pair-bag-buffalo-near-munnsville Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Wildlife pathology with Ward Stone was one of my favorite classes in college!Sent from my QMV7B using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Re-read my post folks! Dawsonscreek, in a couple weeks may be able to shed some new light on the info. If I really had to I could go to my storage unit and dig up my folders and actually cite all the peer review journals an scientific papers that I used in my research. To elaborate a little more on the home range of the mountain lion. The adirondack park itself is large enough to host a mountain lion or a couple but you need to look at the life history of these animals. They are solitary and elusive, and choose to live away from human activity. If you look at areas of the adirondack park that are contiguously "wilderness" (meaning no roads, houses, towns, etc) there are very few areas that are near the 350 sq. mi. that is the home range of a male lion. The females can live in about half that land but those areas don't usually overlap (except during breeding season), so you would need roughly 500 sq. mi. of wilderness area for a breeding pair. A male may tolerate some overlap of a females territory, maybe even multiple females. Nonetheless, they don't readily mix and live together. Yes, the possibility of one passing through is out there but unlikely. An animal traveling from North Dakota to the NE region is such a fluke its unlikely to happen again. As mentioned above, there will always be the animals bought on the black market and released when they get to be too much to deal with for the idiot that thought it would be cool to raise them. Most of those people get busted by the authorities before the animals have a chance to get out or be released. I saw above someone ask the question about how do we think coyotes got here.....is that a real question? Everyone that has this attitude that the NYSDEC is this big, secretive agency that does stuff behind the back of the general public are just ignorant or selfish. They think the NYSDEC is doing harm based on their own personal opinion and they are too naive to look at the big picture. The amount of red tape and bureaucracy that they have to go through to spend money or enact a project is staggering. If you think they can pull of something like stocking new animals without it getting out, you need to step back and take a look at the big picture while keeping reality in mind. They have enough trouble keeping the current programs running. For the record, I have seen a mountain lion..in Montana. It followed us down the mountain after we watched two giant bull elk posture and intimidate each other in a clear cut until got dark and never got a shot. Try walking backwards down a mountain in the dark for a mile and half! It never got more than a few hundred yards from us, it was just eyes sneaking along through the blowdowns watching us the entire way back to the truck. Most likely he was just protecting his hunting grounds from intruders.

I researched this topic in pursuing my wildlife management degree and it was the topic of my final debate in an environmental politics class. Think about it this way, the home range of one, that's right ONE singular mountain lion is roughly the size of the entire Adirondack Park. Take away the infrastucture and development within the park and that area is even smaller. They are very elusive and timid animals by nature, so they wouldn't tolerate living in such a confined space where contact with humans would happen so frequently. Then you have the issue of there not being enough room for a breeding pair, and certainly not their offspring. You can also take in to consideration that mountain lions would greatly disrupt the natural checks and balances that our wildlife have now. NYSDEC barely has enough money to function at it's current capacity, so the likelihood of them secretly stocking or even perpetuating the idea of mountain lion's in NY is ZERO. Yes, that one that was killed in CT/NH/MA (wherever it was) did possibly slip through here and that's all that will ever happen in NY regarding mountain lions. There might be a few cases of a captive one getting out or being released by irresponsible people but they won't be wild. Just as the few wolves that have been shot in NY have been captive escapees or releases. I normally don't even entertain the topic enough to argue but it's monday and I'd rather be deer hunting so replying to this is better than doing work. The answer to your question on shooting one is YES, mountain lion's do not live in NY state so they are not covered under the game laws. So, go ahead and shoot it! When you do you will find that it was captive at some point or in a crazy second chance scenario it will have been a wandering young male from somewhere far, far away. I wouldn't put any money on you shooting a mountain lion though. A picture on a friends phone is just that, most likely a picture from another state if it is even a real picture.