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Albright knot seems to work fine to me. I pull up the sheath about 2", cut off the internal lead wire, and then make a loop with the sheath. I wrap the braid about 10 times around the sheath and pull tight, as per the albright knot. Have had no issues.
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Plugs definitely on their own. You want that erratic action they provide on their own. I don't think a paddle will help anything. As for stacking them, I think it would be okay, but I'd probably only leave the back treble in (remove mid treble) to help prevent tangles between the slider and main line. They do dive to a certain extent, so it may work. I have never tried it though.
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Actually Stan, yes I do remember that they looked at the scales. Something like counting the rings, similar to trees?? It was a few years ago. But I do remember clearly that the majority of salmon were only 3 years old, and a few 2 year olds and very few 4 year olds mixed in.
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If you're in 100ft you should be fine just watch the inside copper on the turns as it will sink fast. My point is you might be actually fishing in 60 fow as that's where the fish seem to be lining up. Then your 400 copper will be too much.
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I would think 600' of power pro is good enough. As others suggest, I would put the copper on the boards, as it has a steeper sink rate than the leadcore. Having the leadcore down the chute will keep a higher line in the center of the action, and that would help prevent crossing over from other lines. I'd also consider just 2 long lines. I don't like having a line down the chute. Rainbow can get acrobatic, and fast moving salmon as well can lift long lines right over into the chute line. Once that happens it's normally game over. You spend 1 hour fixing the mess, and you lose those rods for the rest of the day. How many rods will you have in the water? I'd go with 2 wire dipseys, 2 riggers, and 2 long lines (copper and/or leadcore depending on target depth). Consider a 3rd and 4th wire dipsey or a stacked rigger rod, if you want 8 in total. Remember also the fish are staging that time of the year, so you will be inside of 100 ft, and closer to 60 ft. A 400 copper won't really cut it, as you will be bottoming out. I think either a short copper like 250 ft or a 5 or 7 core will be good bets this time of year. However, don't underestimate the wire, a lot of guys are doing well using wire divers with meat on it. Good luck.
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spooling wire line for dipsey
TyeeTanic replied to trolling460's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
No, straight 1000' of wire should be used. Do not splice. You do not want knots in there that can break. Even if you want to clip wire to an inline board, just clip it where you want, I've done this and it does not break. -
We use 40 lb fluoro on our flies, and in between the dipsey and flasher. So dipsey, about 7 ft of 40# fluoro, flasher, leader to fly about 3x flasher length with 40# fluoro, fly. We connect the dipsey to flasher to fly using quick connect ball bearing swivels.
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35lb Laker
TyeeTanic replied to brucehookedup's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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Sonar Map recommendations please
TyeeTanic replied to moog5050's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Do you still have the manual? Do you know if the SD card slot can read more tha 2 GB? I know some older units had a limit on the size of the SD card and a 2 GB limit won't get you the maps with the detailed contours. If it will handle the High Capacity SD cards (+2 GB), then check whether your area is on the Lake Insight mapset. Lake Insight has detailed contours covering a range of Lakes including the great lakes. -
Rods to use with my copper setups.
TyeeTanic replied to SmellsLikeFishNH's topic in Tackle and Techniques
Talora leadcore/copper rod. Excellent rod. -
There was a report published that I read about 2 or 3 years ago. They tested the fish DNA to determine age. Found that most fish were 3 year olds, very few 4 year olds, and some 2 year olds. In fact I remember that there were more 2 year olds than 4 year olds. I don't think this is a steadfast number, but certainly what is consistent is it's been hard catching 4 year olds (based on size I am guessing age).
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Start at GPS speed = 2.5 mph. Make wide S turns. If fish hit on outside lure they want it faster, if it hits on inside lure they want it slower. Do this for about 15 to 20 minutes. If that doesn't work (no hits whatsoever), bump the speed DOWN first, to 2.2 mph. Repeat. If that doesn't work, bump the speed UP to 2.7 mph. Repeat. If that doesn't work, go to 2.0 mph, then 3.0 mph. Remember this only works travelling one direction. Once you change direction, you have to start over again. If you hit fish in an area, record speed and direction. Circle through the area again at same speed and bearing, and repeat.
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Four wire diver rods on L.O.-is it worth it?
TyeeTanic replied to Mike M's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
We often put 4 dipsies in the water. That being said if it happens to be a rigger bite then we pull some dipseys and put more rigger rods in the water. -
^^^ He's one of the good charters I know that uses Hummingbird. Was waiting for him to chime in. LOL.
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Yup, consider a 1 mph current. Go in one direction into current at 3 mph GPS, your lure is travelling 4 mph in the water. Go in completely opposite direction (with current), your lure is travelling 2 mph in water. The only time GPS speed is useful is: - if there are no to little currents. - if you adjust speed and work a particular area and depth, and get hits at a certain GPS speed. Repeat the same direction and depth and GPS speed and you should more or less get back to the same down speed. Lots of guys without down speed do this. You can also watch the angle of your dipsey rods. Other guys use the "humm" of the wire or downrigger cable and are tuned into what the pitch should sound like. Old technology tied a 2 lb ball weight to a spare rod, and looked at the angle the line was entering the water. That would tell you average down speed (not at lure, as this method measures drag on the cable and ball, and so it measures the current from top to bottom, which can change).
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fishing for info
TyeeTanic replied to chrisv's topic in Ontario, CA Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (North Shore)
Where are you planning to fish? When are you planning to fish? What equipment do you have? -
Another thing to keep in mind is Transducer quality/brand and mounting. You can have a great head unit, but a transducer that is sub-standard, and especially any transducer that is not mounted correctly, is going to lead to a pretty dissapointing result. I use a transom mount transducer, and my friends use through hull mounted transducers. The through hulls seem to give a better picture. They can mark bait balls at much higher speeds than I can (30 mph vs. 10 to 15 mph). I think a lot of it has to do with prop wash, and interference from the chines - but believe me I have used the preferred location according to LOWRANCE. Secondly, watch your electrical install to avoid interference. Run a clean cable (with a fuse) from your battery to your head unit. Don't run it next to any other big electrical cables (engine cables). Keep the length as short as possible, and do not coil up excess (coiling up causing some pretty interesting electrical conditions, but will leave Electrical 101 for another day).
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Raymarine good. Hummingbird good. Lowrance good. Simrad good. I wouldn't get hung up on brand. I use Lowrance, and it's great, but the raymarine is a great unit (my buddy has one) and the Simrad is great (my other buddy has it). I know some good charter captains that swear by Hummingbird, and I believe it is a good unit too. I would focus on features. INTERFACE - Firstly, touch screen gets you more screen for the size, but in terms of functionality I think I liked the Simrad the best, it had both touch functionality and then a cursor button on the side for quick zooming and moving, plus setting weigh points. It's nice when you're fingers are a little wet, and way more accurate than using your fingers. CHIRP - good technology. MAPS - yes to Navionics. Around our normal fishing spots, we don't really need the maps as we are familar enough with where the fish normally hold up. But in new locations, or locations we don't fish a lot out of (tournaments), it's good to have a map that shows the structure (1' to max 3' contour separation). CONNECTIVITY - does it have blue tooth/wifi tech that will allow you to connect/control from a phone or tablet? This will allow you to dual screen your FF on a second device (map on one, sonar on another). Why not mount the sonar at the back of the boat, where you adjust your rod depths, so you don't need to continuously ask "what are the depths?" SIZE - I discuss this a little below in PRICE, as the two are related. But go online and get the screen dimensions, than draw them out on a blank piece of paper. Draw all the units overlapping with a different color to represent each unit. You will get a sence for what size you really like/need and how much different even units in the same size range (5", 7", 9") are. Think about all the data you need to overlay on the screen (speed, depth, temp, voltage, bearing, etc.) and where that will go, and how much space you lose because of that. PRICE - you don't need to spend $2000, but I do find on the lower end of the price range ($500) you do get a lot more for your money if you are willing to just spend another $100 or $200, especially size. There is a big difference between the area of a 5" and 7" screen. Also one 7" screen isn't the same area as another brand's 7" screen, due to aspect ratio - wide screen vs. 4:3. Some will sell as a 7" screen, but are in fact 6.5" diagonal (it just happens to be the model that competes in the 7" size range). I basically take the specs off the websites and obtain the length and width, and calculate the area. Then take the price and divide by area, so you know truly how many $/sq inch you are actually paying, and it will shock you how different it is from one brand to the other, with similar/same features.
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SPRO swivels for copper HD & Basic
TyeeTanic replied to buckboardjr's topic in Tackle and Techniques
I just bought these and may refit the copper with them in the winter months. I bought them because a friend of mine uses them and he swears by them, hasn't had any issues to my knowledge. -
Running dive bombs on coppers?
TyeeTanic replied to DJ 17's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Scott, if it works, I really want to go this way. The only reason I haven't used torpedo weights on the core or copper is because I thought I had to put it on the braid and let out another 100 ft of line, and that wasn't boding well, especially with braid in the water during flea season. If it works, then that's a game changer. Could have easily used that technique when the cold water was 100 ft deep. -
Running dive bombs on coppers?
TyeeTanic replied to DJ 17's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
What I was (am) worried about is it kinking (maybe not the right word) because from the rod tip to the dive bomb the line is under tension due to the weight/drag of the dive bomb. After the dive bomb the copper is free flowing, and wipping as you turn, enter currents, waves from the surface, etc. So you have a pinch point that holds the higher half solid, while the lower half flexes back and forth. I would have guessed this would ultimately lead to failure at that pinch point. But this is all theory, if someones been doing it for years and it is holding up, then that trumps the theory. -
This Makes it all worthwhile
TyeeTanic replied to RodBuster's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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Help needed!
TyeeTanic replied to jbreeze's topic in Ontario, CA Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (North Shore)
Don't fish when it's really windy. Need to be more specific, what do you want to know? -
We just use table spoon of salt and sugar in river water. Let them cure over night in that and then dewatering and dry in a paper towel. Then leave in the fridge for another 12 hours to fully cure. After i spoon about what I need for a days fishing into seran wrap and twist it closed. I put all the sacks into a cardboard box filled with shredded newspaper. I have eggs like this that are 5 years old and still good. Trick is to dethaw them overnight in the fridge. A fast the in warm temperature will make the egg skin break and you lose a lot.