BSmaster

Pap's response is really accurate. There is a lot of food. I would try a drop shot with an actual night crawler loosely hooked and long line (back troll around 50ft of water.) light line 4-6lb (I love pulling that one out when nobody is catching anything with their high price baits). The other thing I would try is sending Kevin Legg a PM and ask him what his pattern is on the Larry / eastern bays. The 3rd thing I would try is going to Auburn and talk with the bass pros. I have learned from them. I share with them and I think other fisherman have shared with them so they have decent knowledge of what works. Its not like talking with the high school kid that works at Dicks. I never had good days for prespawn bass and always tried to leave them alone anyways (until summer). Trout, crappie, perch and soon walleye and pike - Why fish for bass anyways? That's my summer fish! Good luck and tight lines. I hope you get some 3 foot jumpers. Joe

Thanks Mike. Other places to fish. People will survive without it. Skinny water should always be left unmentioned. A quick google search verifies this. There is no valid argument for spot burning this body of water. I never knew there was fish there until today. I looked on the map because i know where Lodi is and there it is - a little itsy bitsy creek which should be left unnamed. Right now lurkers are trying to determine the best means of plundering this nursery. Posted land only keeps law abiding citizens off of it. The owner of that campground should have his hands full for a couple of weeks. He probably has the sheriff on speed dial. Maybe a mod should just delete the entire post.

When I read the original post and saw that it is loaded with fish my original thought was "because it is closed to fishing" Open it up and all those fish will be in a smoker somewhere. Mike is right. Call the DEC region 8 people and get clarification. btw, I have fished one of those streams that see no pressure and it is absolutely incredible how the trout seems to be as eager as sunfish to hit your bait. I felt guilty and left.

I can tell you from past experience with DEC. The only way they will do anything is if you let them believe it is their idea. You could have Buffet's backing and they will say no because they have a high horse when it comes to eco engineering. They have the proper background and the power but (unfortunately) they also have arrogance. How dare Joe six pack tell me how to maintain a trout stream? Can't deputize citizens. One word - LIABILITY. You could train sheriff's deputies to handle specific situations and pay overtime with fines collected. More beauracacy which means don't hold your breath. The creek is resembling more and more a snagger's creek meaning it is mostly riffles. It could have some deep holes without compromising flood control. Also a good idea to close all of the feeder streams to angling (or more accurately, snagging). I really do not foresee any major changes. I think when you have concerns you should write or call them (DEC). Let them know what is bothering you. I have several times and I can say that I almost always get a direct response within a week or two. In some cases I am happy with the feedback and other times I stubbornly grumble about it. But if they do not hear our input then they are completely unaware. Even if they can't do things we suggest, they will at least have it in their memory for future reference. Good luck

$12 for little 6 inch pieces with the cut ends polished (poorly). I saw some in Old Forge a few years back. I guess the big city yups like to use them for accent decorations.

Very jealous - I would love to wade out somewhere where waders/liners/thinsulate/wool weren't needed. Cool looking fish too!

I remember the story went that Conesus lake showed signs of VHS and they thought the culprit was alewives used as bait from Lake Erie. I do not know how they would know this with any degree of certainty. I agree. I also think cast nets are ok but I stopped using mine years ago because the rules got cloudy. I hate that part of fishing where ethically you are doing nothing wrong but you still feel like a criminal. That is why I use artificial whenever I can still be productive. At some point it would be nice to see the industry held responsible, instead of the lil folk.

They still out deep?

I love how I write the word S - X and it replaces it with fun loving. I had no idea it was a naughty word.

Doe in estrus will keep them on longer. At least that is my theory. Once all the does are bred successfully they will stop producing the scent that makes the buck's produce the hormone which keeps the antlers attached. Something like that. My Dad taught me about the cold thing but logically it doesn't always hold water. This is also my theory of why too many does to buck ratio can hurt. Buck's get run down and can not recover and in the big picture of life, fun loving is not required to live on a personal basis so this diminishes the buck's potential prowess in the following years. Supplementing the nutrition in the winter months should overcome this. QDM is more complex then just antler restriction.