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Well a progressive burn powder is naturally a fast burning powder which builds pressures fast to move a heavy load fast and this can be achieved with considerably less powder. 79/80 grains verses 150gr. Or 3 pellets. I've heard of 110gr powder of the Blackhorn to shoot 300+ gr bullets. I wouldn't want to be one the butt end of that, LOL, my mossberg is bad enough with 3-1/2" turkey loads OOOY that's gonna leave a mark!! LOL. Other than the three pellets of powder, my story is in measured grains, not by volume, also a progressive powder is a flaky type powder, where the slower burn powder is like round, short pieces under a microscope The differences can plainly be seen. I edited this on the account of the lower post, which talks measured by weight, not volume also.

Very interesting!! I know my brother had those nail guns they are nasty, you can shoot a nail through a steel beam. When he built my house we have 3 different beams in 3 different places, different offsets and the main beam, I didn't want all those posts sticking up. The main beam was 3/8" thick and those shells shot right threw like nothing. But a good red lens that defuses the light is way better than the green lights. I went to a Dennis Kirk seminar and he like kept saying not to shine directly on the critters but let the hued light on the critter, then commence fire!! LOL what kind of damage did the bullet do on the kill shot, or didn't you pull an autopsy, like we do do see the bullet performance, we are always looking for the best bullet performances at the fastest speed, and before it blows up into shrapnel. Want a nice big rolled over mushroom with an exit hole at its peak size. I will look more into the shell itself now that I know where it originated. Thanks for the info. PAP.

Do any of you guys get the magazine Nite Lite? Lots of goodies for after hours hunting, when I had my beagles and my cousins had their coon dogs we found out about this magazine. By the way congrats to the coyote kill, love to hear the 17 WSM stories, they certainly isn't the hype out there like the 17hmr. Don't understand why. If I could sell my 17hmr I would buy the 17wsm no doubt about it. Is what I herd true? The newer 17 rim fire WSM the 5mm necked to 17cal.? If so that's one hot smoking rifle. I have a 5mm, and I know what it can do!!

"This is very interesting" especially the magnum, rifle primers, as the inline became more and more popular Winchester came out with the "Muzzleloader primer" being that my family for generations, has been reloading shells from brass to shotguns, I could go on & on. But we've known that the Primers play a major role in shot shells from a cold CCI to a Winchester hot primer, we came up with a 1-3/8oz #5 shot for crows that blow the feathers off out to 40-50 yards with a 6 to 8ft lead, alright back to the subject primers are the kingpin of the whole ball of wax. I think I'm going to look into this buckhorn powder, lots of good news coming from this product. What makes me think this is good stuff is that it's loose, we have been using the 777 loose powder since it came out. If your going the extra mile with the rest of the goodies, then why in the world would you just put 2 or 3 pellets of unmeasured by yourself powder down the barrel, we measured our powder for the guns, especially once we started knurling the bullets and cutting ever other petal off the sabot. Great info here!! Now I need to get my Honey do list done in less than a hour!!! LOL PAP

LOL! No I haven't taken it that far, BUT we might be on the same page here, because we needed to recover the sabots also to see that the knurling has reached the rifling as the pedals got pressed to a much thinner thickness than before the shot and the knurling has reached the rifling. My father in law with his tri axels bumped 22 ton of sand in front of our shooting bank, so the bullets weren't smashed to unrecognized pieces and we were able to see a pattern of flat, knurling with rifled marks etched into the bullet, ect. which we very happy with, then flattened out area then rifling marks. So we knew that this whole theory wasn't someone blowing smoke up our arsh. LOL. One thing we did notice was the rifling was just that it reach the smooth area of the bullet, so that convinced us that the accuracy of the rifle "totally" rely solely on the sabot!! So,,, is a harder composite sabot better than or is a softer composite better, although harder the sabot the less friction or a softer sabot one would think would be more accurate, this is why we felt we had the best of both worlds. The black sabot that barns bullets came with and the knurling reaching into the rifling. You could debate over this theory till your blue in the face as there's to many variables in each theory. Thanks for bringing this up as I thought Bruce and I were the only two freaks thinking this far into this theory. Cool stuff, youp50!!!

Omg Youp50!!! I actually have a knurle machine for bushings that go into the older Prestolite marine starters, the center plate support bushings used to fall out and the armature shaft used to wear a little so the bushing would just fall through. Prestolite discontinued making the center plate wich rendered the starter useless!! A lot of 470 still out there yet so I picked up a bushing knurl machine which made the bushing fit much tighter along with a anabolic "green sleeve locker" cured this dilemma but quick!! So I used this tool to knurl the power belts so they fit tighter, I could push those bastards all the way down with no effort and near the powder area it felt like it fell down. Concerns of the bullet walking forward I needed a way to fix this, even if it was nothing to worry about, it made me nervous. AAHH the knurle tool, that fixed that problem, and it was adjustable as to how much knurle you wanted. To this day well a few years back I put a mild knurle on all my bullets. I was told by a fellow I met at a gun shop in Walnutport at A F Boyer to cut every other leaf off my sabots holders and knurl the bullet, this will start the rotation from the rifling as soon as the bullet moves forward, this will improve accuracy and speed at the muzzle. I had a old CVA the one where you pull the primer bolt back and the safety you pushed forward to shoot, but if you didn't set the safety it could catch on a stick or branch and pull the bolt back and fly front and set the gun off!! Well with his info that piece of shyt shot on a silver dollar at a 100 yards. I did this to all my In-line black powder rifles. CVA Traditions break open and my brothers Knight, the early style, where the primer pushes into that red plastic thing then you close the bolt over it and you need this little pick to remove the primer holder out of the breech, ya nice!! $1000,00 gun at the time but the only foul weather gun at the time. Our flintlock season opened today. With inheriting my brothers guns and mine plus my father in laws flintlock I can carry three guns now!!! LOL one over each shoulder and hunting with the other. LOL ya right!! Long story short I've been knurling bullets for a good 10-15 years now!! It works!! PAP.

I figured why waist time on another post when this is exactly the same type of execution I used when I could get around better!! At the time the Dead Coyote was Lightning expensive and may still be. To pattern a shotgun was painful!! I found that my Mossberg 835 Paired with the Dead Coyote choke tube has proven itself out to 75 yards. I used to load 1 #4 Buck then a dead coyote, then a #4 and so on, depending on how thick the woods was. I have used the less expensive Remington #4's just to clear a path for the dead coyote to do its job!!! Excellent choice Justin!!! Hope Santa was good to you guy-gals as he was to me.

This has been by far the best thread ever started and followed by thousands, who contributed positive words, spoke by true sportsman showing great sportsmanship producing 140 pages and 2,797 posts, I've joined Lou in 2012, 4 and very close to 5 years on this site. I do believe legacy has set a new record for LOU and will be Awfully damn hard to beat this awesome thread. This thread had places in it that now matter what where or who you had a place to fit in. Congrats to all that contributed, whether with knowledge or being a little on the radical side, we only had one hick up, that got resolved quickly!! I hope most all have some venison to chew on this winter, of not you didn't venture to far off the couch, and if it was due to a ailments there's a lot out there and I don't think there's one guy on here that wouldn't give you some. Thanks guys have a great holiday and happy new year!! PAP THANKS LEGACY!!!

Man that's super guys, mine were like that up to last year!! Now everything's gross, feels slimy, I believe this is school related, buy others that never did this before. So pier pressure is a factor. Before they had never acted like this. They had both hands in the blood, and gutted their own fish, now everything is gross, I know they are capable just can't stand this negative attitude. Hope it's just a fad their going through.for now they are showing kind of normal activity!! I hope It's over The boat that's another story! My girls are twins also. 11 years old going to be 12 in February

That's really cool though!! My two ate everything under the sun, now there 12 going on 21, now it's I don't like this, that the other thing. Starting to get under my skin!! I know you two never acted like this before, must be a girly school thing?

Ah you went one step stronger, yea I can't remember the last time I ate whole pepperoni!! your on the right track, I thought a few times about getting one of those, but all I got was No Way DAD!! Your stuffs the best and it's not going to tast the same!! So I guess you know who won!! LOL even if I only do 15 pounds of jerky, which they like the sweet hot, I go through the same steps to get the final outcome. I do have a question for you fella's, do they exhaust smoke? Like could you do it in your garage?

My old school smoke time is 30 to 45 mins. last time I smoked anything 2 hrs it tasted like the inside of a chimney. I'm not saying that's to long as I use a smoke house with green wood that may be more pungent? I tried the Cabela's brand stuff for a friend and used their directions they weren't fit to feed to the dog. My personal beliefs are these directions are for the small personal smokers. Not the outside wood stove pumping smoke into the house at 120 degrees with propane 30thou.btu with 25 to 50 pounds hanging!! When I make ring Bologna for the gun club I do 100lbs takes 3 1/2- 4hrs. LOL hope they tast as good as they look. Those casings mahogany colored? and I assume collagen, their the best, you don't have to worry about those splitting if the heat gets up on ya, that's why I have a 3" exhaust with a damper, so I can let heat out quick!! and I run the damper 1/2 open as the smoke pushes the moisture out of the meat and that moist air can escape, can't dry meat to a certain extent with 60% humidity inside. Best of luck smoking!!! It's legal.

Damn those critters are relentless!! Do you know anyone that has the newer 17 Mag, the one that's still a rim fire, I saw the shells it looks like a 22 mag necked to .17 cal? Haven't heard much talk like the hmr when it came out? I did see the original 17 center fire, my buddy Butch, a Vietnam War Vet, he messes around with all these odd ball calibers I recall, a fireball and a super B as all these little shells he loads for friends and other with these small Wild Cat cartridges it really cool to see these little but lethal pills, I was rather surprised how much interest he took towards the 17 until I knew he had the original 17 cal center fire!! And bullets were again made more easily available. Pap.

I use sassafras for pepper sticks, jerky, hickory for ring bologna, I don't use any smoke to make hotdogs

I take it that's your yote pile deer? My heavens that's one Nast howitzer your shooting LOL just about turned her inside outside

Nice job !!

X3 refuse to even open it!! My wife's a school teacher. She's not allowed to even open up trace book, these knot heads can twist & contort every word into a situation where one could loose their job, Ain't got time for dat

Those were some of the cans that I saw, I'll look into my history now, I'm all for black but these were Freaken cool!!Just look up plastic dip spray chameleon colors,,choose or look what you think you like or dislike. You can get lost in all the colors. I think what FOX did is the best choice unless you want radical? I want to keep my rigger weights out of the pic. and let the fish focus on my riggs!!

I saw this spray plastic paint that looks like a chameleon color, turns black/purple and other is green/dark green and another color, and you can add a clear sparkle, I'll try to find that paint, I looked up spray rubber paint!!

Thanks for the info I will get something going on with a coating, the slicker the surface is the less blow back there will be. As of now I just have them painted flat black.

LOL! I'm not laughing at you I'm laughing with you on your comment "For how much I payed it should work under water" that brought tears to my eyes, as I haven't laughed that hard in a long time!! Despite your anger, you still have a good sense of humor!!

I 100% agree with that guy if we were talking flintlocks, I have proven that thought time and time again by shooting it over the snow, the powder will lay black over the snow, there's no need to put more than 70 grains of powder in the barrel, the rest won't burn, and your patch will lay on the snow on fire. PA had closed our flintlock season during a real dry season because of this. But a 209 primer behind a load of black powder will ignite every grain up too 150 grains of powder. If your shooting your gun over a chronograph and noticing pellet speed increases then the powder is burning and not just taking up space. Shoot a cap off at night, you'll see the fire fly out the barrel. Flintlocks I agree 100% not so with a modern day muzzle loader. Also, you clean your muzzy already for the next day your chance comes and you miss?? WTF right? If you don't snap at least caps off before loading that first shot it will be low every time? Because there's no residue in the barrel to totally seal off the gases relying on just the plastic sabot. Best speed and repetitive accuracy is with the 4-6 shot over the chrono!! We have messed around hrs. With this stuff and theories, that have been proven before our very eyes.

Thanks for sharing your idea!! That's a good idea even for if the weight swings against the boat, for a no chip of the paint. !!! Oh how does that stuff spray?? To nice flat, smooth surface, not a undercoat finish? Rough & bumpy

When is your deer season over? Looking forward to this thread to kick off like it did yester year!! LOL I never get tired of looking at Penthouse house, I mean big racks LOL I need a pinch between cheek and gum 👆👆👠ok I'm back looking a nice horns even a Doe catches my eye. A big bushy tail on the other hand there isn't many pics. Of the elusive coyote!!! Those are not giving you the finger, enlarge pic. it's a wait a minute sigh.