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Here's a little info. We are never happy with stock anything, if you bump your muzzy up they won't come apart with up to and less than 150 grains of powder. At 145grains of Blackhorn and a 235 pill it will be smoking over 2097 FPS over the crono. 2" high at 100 yards, at 200 lay the horizontal hairs on the backbone and the vertical line in the vital area, I'll guarantee you a kill shot. This is the recipe that took my big I mean 21 3/4" 5 pointer that my brother in law said was going backwards in horn development because of his age. One of the heaviest deer I ever shot. The neck itself weighed 32 pounds, at 237 paces!! Rodney is 6'3" and mostly feet and legs. Knocked the old bastard flat in his tracks. 2"s high at 100 yards= 4-5inch drop at 200. The 2"s high at 100 won't effect your natural shooting habits at less than a 100 yards one bit. This seems to work on any gun we tried CVA, Thompson, the pursuit. I would not try this with a gun NOT designed to handle 150 grains of powder, whether it's new or old. Be straight & shoot straight!!! P

Well this is the Pa. Game Comm. wishes, but this is going to raise hell, the turkey Federation is a strong group, but the slippery works of the Pa game comm. will be denying all actions. This year I saw 4 1/2 pics of mountain lions one with a collar, the 1/2 pic was to far away to say "yea that's a lion" the guy that delivers our fuel oil had a good story about seeing one fueling a house back by the pine swamp, I know the hidden feild he's talking about and that the picture I saw with a brown thick belt type collar with a box under its neck. This cat had a 4ft tail give or take. Definitely not a bobcat. Is this state loosing it's mind?? WTH man

I'm with ya here Slammin!!! When I was still at home if you didn't eat something you went to bed right after supper, which sucked as a kid, especially in the summer, the only time I went to bed early was whenever mom made split pea soup, that shyt sucked then and always will. My pop saved the livers by freezing them till we butchered our pig/pigs depending on who wanted what, if the deer were shot off the mountain in the early season we ate the liver or used them to make liver pudding. If the deer came late season and they were eating mountain laurel that is poisonous to humans but not for the deer, because they don't have a gallbladder. I'm no doctor because I lost all my patientsLOL but the old timers knew their shyt and us young ones followed suit!! Most of the guys that were my family member my POP POPS were WWII vets and my dad was a Korean War Vets and my younger uncles were Vietnam War Vets. So us young ones walked the line at home, but the deer livers were eaten early season and used for other purposes and later in the season were buried with the pigs entrails along with the beef and chicken guts.

One thing I do a lot of is make smoked jerky, pepper sticks, ring bologna, some with pepper jack cheese. If I smoke jerky or slim jims or pepper sticks I use sassafras, and the bologna, I use hickory, chickens well that's another story, this is venison talk. I cut my own sassafras and hickory. I have dry of both woods the others I leave outside on a skid uncovered my stove is outside my smokehouse which I put a 6" stove pipe and at the top of my smoker which is 6'6"'s and I have a 3" chimney coming out with a 3" damper then a elbow and pipe above the roof for draft, been a good working build for 20+ years, so I build my fire with the dry and then add the so called green when ready to add smoke, the first hour I run heat, propane at 140* then I add the smoke, depending on what's in the smoker 45 minutes to 1-1/2hrs. Right now I'm behind big time with the rain and well more rain. 100% humidity is hard to get my stuff done in a timely manner. The longer the meats is in the heat and the smoke didn't push the moisture out of the meat or it absorbs the moisture again now you have dried meat and it has a bitter tangy flavored meat, as you would have with a fruit bearing tree, they make a tangy flavor. Which isn't what flys around here. Bologna I use hickory only because that's the norm around here. Chicken in a brine stuffed with Granny Smith apples, I use Apple to keep the tang in the meat, the brown sugar and apple juice tame the tang really very well. Like airbrushing lures, it takes a lot of practice and my beagle loves my F'ups. I enjoy the smiles and the faces and the ummm man this is good!! Good including the "here's a little something for ya, or doing this" !!!

Thank you, I could have looked it up, I thought that you guys would know better and have more info!! There was talk about the over abundance of turkey's eating everything in sight. I know there isn't to many porcupines. LoL

What do fishers eat? The reason I'm asking is the state of Pa is stocking fishers into the wild, to control ?

Absolutely that is a brute of a buck, the only thing I would deduct is about a 1/4 of crown royal out of my bottle if I were ever lucky enough to such a beauty. There's still time to catch up with that beast!! Best of luck!!

Yea and fuzzy freaks might think we're talking Catch-Release!! LOL

No I haven't, the areas where you can hunt are mostly privately owned, and you can $$$ your way onto those properties the lesser chance lands I can't afford, let alone the prime properties. It's all about the green. We have some of the biggest elk in the nation, my wife's uncles went to New Mexico during the muzzleloader season for the same $$ to hunt Pa. If you have to pay the farmers to shoot a world class elk.

I can't open it? Just a big black square!!??Forget it I think the internet getting squirrelly from the freezing rain, and now it works

Lmao, yeah that ought to er done, one way or another!!

My first time experience with cyclops brand was a compact handheld flash/spot light, got for Christmas, such junk a matchstick makes for more light, it had a beam, spot, red lens, the whole deal was rather poor, I use the brinkman light with he red lens, now that shines good and have shot a few yotes from under that light but you need 2 people one to light and one for gunning, and I found myself having to have a second battery to go the whole night. They are easy to replace, but you must charge the batteries in the light. I haven't found a charger that will do just the battery, but I really didn't look all that hard either. Go to red defuser lens and I was told by a very successful yote hunter, not to light directly on the yote if possible just let the hue of the light to get on the yote, it has worked for me, but I haven't been out in a few years now.

What do you mean? The shells themselves, or you can chamber more shells through the gun your using as fast as possible.

Congrats that's one hell of a buck!! Way to stick it out and unleash the muzzy on a brute buck!! Our flintlock season opens up the day after Christmas, and it would be a blessing to poke one like that!! Thanks for sharing. PAP!!!

This statement is so spot on it hurts!!! People think there ain't no F'n deer like there used to be this sucks, I'm hanging it up!! Don't hunt the big woods the deer ain't in them there woods!! LOL the deer looking up is so true I have experienced this myself. The Boy Scout camp by us used to allow hunting but you had to buy a pin and wear it to be legit. My first house used to border the scout camp so I had the rights to hunt without the pin, but $10.00 to the scouts and the caretaker made for better relationships, long story short we killed a lot of nice deer, but then the influx of NY city slickers ruined the hunting by just going on the land and all those guys/gals hunted from a stand. Well after a few years the deer walked around looking towards the sky, I actually watched a buck fall flat on his nose, not watching where he was walking. That's no shyt!! So the influence of humans hanging in trees totally changed the way deer go about there travels. Also these same people have feeders in their developments, so those clowns venture into the woods, and the deer venture into the developments!! They actually trade places, there not dumb, "the deer" the people are!! There are no gunshots going off in the development it's quiet in there, but one crack of a rifle and their headed to the safety of the houses. The deer in broad daylight lay in between houses during the day when those folks leave for work. The deer are so smart, I watched a lady come home open the garage door drive her car in came out with a coffee can shaking it and the deer come out of the instead of the woods, let's say the "vinyl" to eat like pets at the zoo. I used to hunt 200 yards off the property line on the backside of that development, which was way more than being out of a used dwelling, when that lady's garage door hit the concrete I knew it was game on they took the thickest path around the bottom side of a swamp hole right into my sight and a 30 yard shot with a bow, come gun season they came right up the road!! Long story short these deer are well educated. Gotta love the clown that sights his rifle in 15hrs before shooting hrs. Forget about the hollow behind my house there up in the development already just up the road from me. So ya they have come a long way in their ways of getting around us humans!! Thanks BS your spot on in the way deer elude people around here. They are here and learned to adapt to the safety of developments.

Well maybe I'm not as out of the scene as I thought I was,LOL they are power belts!! They sure have changed the package from the last I used them? The green were the 50 cal. Ect. The gunsmith that worked my flintlock over told me about the barns so I just been using them. At first I was like come on all this stuff, he sold them loose like, the sabots were in one bag the bullets came in a small box, where the power belts were "more convenient" but I just put them together and it just became routine after a while. I would be content with the TC also that buck wasn't going anywhere, had the daytime been in your favor, you probably would have dragged him out that same day!! Like on Blade Smiths, that will kill!! Thank god it wasn't today WOW is it brutal here!!! 13* and wind blowing like hell.

What for pills were you shooting, they look like a knockoff of a power belt. Some one commented on the price of the Barns bullets? I think for a buck and a 1/2 verses $.50 a shot I'll bet that $.75 wasn't worth the mental anguish of should I try to get it, let him lay? Those Barns out of my muzzy knock a hole out the opposite side you can put your fist in. I'm by no means am I knocking the fellow who posted the cost option, I'm referring to my personal experiences with the barns!! You got him Rob and that's what counts!!,again congrats to your dandy buck!!

Man you guys are going to need snowshoes!!! LOL

Awesome job!! I bet that trip was a adrenaline rush from the time you guys decided to say "let's go get this hombre" I would have liked to be in your shoes JakeyBaby, great job, also I bet the jaw dropping face on Hunter was priceless also!! I bet he marched out of the woods proud of his dad!! I still remember the exact way it happened when my brother and I got to see dad shoot a buck with my Whelen, because dad shot left handed, so my 7600 pump was the only gun we had, that wasn't a bolt. Great job!! Guys.

Of course they aren't going to be ass now!! That would be calling out the king pin!!!

YEEOOWW what I'd give to be 40 yards away with my 3 1/2" dead coyote load scatter gun.!!!