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Bobbyboy, need more info on boat, inboard,outboard, turning over,wont do anything, I have a starter& alternator shop, might be able to help you, but like I said need more info!!!!!

This sounds all to familiar (Henderson Harbor Murders) now Buffalo eye Killers geezes craps what next?

Welcome aboard Tim, this site is awesome and a wealth of information, don't be afraid to ask any type of questions no matter how dumb it may seem to you, someone will help you out, the guys on here are nothing short awesome they will chime in and try to figure out your problem, anything from your fishing gear to the functions of your boat. Good luck. PAP

Hey a BIG thanks to all the responded, I think I'm going to splice in a couple hundred feet on my rigger rods as they are my main concern. My dipsey rods are 28# lead core and 16 strand wire, one thing the guys talk about is a twilly tip, I never used one and I don't notice it cutting in my tip eye, maybe I don't use it as hard as you lucky guys that live on the lake, I looked into it but why bother if nothing going wrong? I'll try ordering it as I live in the Poconos of PA. Thanks again PAP.

Do you guys that run flea flicker line have reels spooled up with this line and only use it during the flea season or do you run it year round ? What pound line do you use, and where can one buy this line. Thanks PAP.

About 7 years ago dad and I were coming home from Black River camp grounds got on 81 south and some where between South Sandy and Oswago we saw a wire wiping around in the air, dad was driving and I saw this and told him to back off, we still didn't know what is was till all of a sudden a downrigger came flying back and almost hit our truck traffic came to halt and when we finally got up to the boat the hole back of the boat was tore apart, we stopped to help the guy, what happened was the clutch released and all the cable came off the spool and someone drove over it and ripped the rigger right off the boat, it was mounted on the tracks system so it bent that all to hell and the other rigger was just hanging on by a thred and it tore the board that he had made for the transom was ripped off and it ripped a big piece right out of the transom also, he had a big mess to fix. We felt bad for the guy but that's one reason why I take off my riggers when trailering, just never know what will happen on the road, 5 minutes to remove the riggers will save you a lot of money and work. I think that guy will never trailer with his riggers mounted again.

How do you guys go about doing a live report?? Just curious PAP

When I first started to get into downrigger fishing I got 2 manual downriggers given to me, that right there should have told me something?? so I mounted them on my 18ft Troller and commenced to go fishing, being a rookie sent the first rigger down to lets just say 80ft and then go to crank up the tension on the pole so it has a nice arch to the rod and POP, the line comes out of the release, so crank up 80 ft of cable and start all over, 10 minutes later fish on, get a little trout of some sort, OH yea the ball is still at 80 ft so crank er back up set everything back up and now go to the other rigger set that one up and send her down to 60 ft go to put tension on that rod and POP there that rod comes out of the release, I must not of had something right, so crank that one up. Now I'm pi$$ed off, sweating and arms feel like they are dragging on the floor, moral of the story, next trip out I had 2 electric cannons I picked up for $150.00 a piece with 4ft booms, from a guy that wanted 6ft booms, they are heavy duty riggers that are powerful, they lift 12# weights no problems. If you are learning like me and if you get into fish the manuals will beat you up, save up enough to buy one electric rigger, for now and get another one later you won't regret it, if you insist on manuals I have 2 I'll give you, that's what I think of those things, OH I forgot to mention the riggers I bought for $300.00 I have over 10 years now and still work like new, so it's a investment that will last a long time

I had the exact same set up, a 100 qt cooler with a seat cushion that snapped on and I bought the same thing a 6 rod holder mounted it to the back and got 2, 3 rod holders for each side of the center console, so that gave me 12 rod holders all together and there was enough room to get through the center console and the gun wall. The boat was a Troller, very well made boat, they are no longer in business, I think they were made in Erie PA. all fiberglass and took water very well even though it was a 18fter,it was a deep V open bow with a fiberglass floor, if water came over the bow it ran out the back, it was one of the best boats I owned. It was powered by a 1988/88 special. It was a V4 two stroke that had more than enough power, very reliable motor and good on fuel.

Great job on the boat restore, and good fish report, looks and sounds like all the hard work and lots of $$$ paid off, I'm in the same shoes, just a few little things to button up and my 2 year project is ready for lake O can't wait!!

Silverfox, what does your order consist of or a order # so I know what I'm talking about when I call or go there, never know where I end up or have to go from day to day. PAP

Scott, lake aerial is 35 minutes away from my house, I will see what's going on for you, I'll call them and see what's up with your order or try to get them to give you some sort of satisfaction. PAP

Yellow Fever, I apologize if I offended you I know you can't help what your country has done to thousands of Americans, as for as coming to fish your great fishery. By far there is no place on earth better than Canada for walleye and northern pike, the walleye I have mounted 32inches 12.5 pounds and a northern 48inches came from a lake called O'sullivian which we fished for 25 years, But we have been put through the ringer with the French and the border patrol, which you have no control over. I have been on lakes in Canada where they are targeting walleyes and have seen in person the net set in lake Ontario where they were targeting walleyes, I have relation in the US. coast guard and NY fish and game and they told me where they are and it's in the migratory route towards the Bay of Quinte, there is nothing the US. can do about it I have been fishing Canada for 40 years and have stories and memories that will stay with me forever!! As far as the nets in Erie they can't set those nets till the walleye migrate towards Vermillion and they are targeting perch and white fish and they must release any walleye caught in those nets, I have been to Erie when the nets were set and it's a pain in the but to get around them. I can tell you when we go to the Harrisburg sport show and visit the outfitters we used to go to they say the US. folks just don't come in numbers like they used to, so we explained why and they were going to look into the problem, because it's hurting them also. I don't have a problem with the Canadians themselves, just the way they do things, like the lack of conservation, which affects lake O in a sence

The whole nut in the shell is, if Lowrance would supply a detailed instruction manual with these units, things wouldn't be a blur to us folks that aren't so teck smart, for years all you needed to do is turn the damn thing on and it worked, now you need 3 arms and 6 fingers to hold all the buttons in at the same time!! How much trouble would it be to print out a detailed instruction manual so you could keep it on the boat if you should run into a glitch, all I got was a cd to watch and the rest is on your own. Good luck, I guess you need to take a lap top along to watch the vid. and hope you can resolve the issue on the lake? as if you need one more thing in the way. Just my 2 cents

I agree with Adams, those Canadians are relentless with the nets for walleyes, those A-holes don't care about anything but the all mighty dollar, They sell walleye in the supermarket at a good buck, and they don't care about conservation at all. When we used to go to Canada, I watched the French guys fillet a walleye they cut from the top down to the ribs and then strait across only taking a 4 inch piece of meat and throwing the rest in the lake, what a waist, I dipped them out and finished the job for table fare for us guys to eat, they don't bother removing the rib bones, basically there is a 4 inch piece of meat cut out of the fish and then discarded. They don't care unless they can ruin your trip buy ripping your truck apart and fining you for stupid stuff like one to many cans of chew or what type of worm bedding you have, anything to get their mits in your pocket. It's been 10 years since we last were to Canada, we always took 10 guys at $1000.00 a piece, and the outfitters were complaining that the US. people were not coming in the numbers they used to, we explained what was going on at the boarder and they couldn't believe it. I was told that the Bay of Quinte isn't was it used to be either, been wanting to go there for years also, but I'm having second thoughts on that also, maybe just go to western lake Erie in the spring.

All the guys are correct it's a ground fault somewhere, I would inspect where the grounds connect in the light fixtures them self check the light sockets make sure they are not rusted if so spray them up with a penetrating fluid such as (I use Remington gun oil, has rust inhibitors and Teflon lube, and other goodies to protect metals, works well) and then go to the truck wire cluster and check the ground wire should be white and it should come into a box, I had to jump to the other side of the box to get a good ground. I ran a separate ground from my trailer to the plug, not just relying on the ball itself for the ground, this should eliminate the excessive heat problems, check out what size fuse your running, with that much heat that should have blown!! Hope this helps PAP. F&F Starter & Alternator.

Rw is right, Cabelas will give you another unit no questions asked, I think they saw their fare share of these units having problems, I was told the early units had soft ware problems and Cabelas understands that, so they are trying to get the latest ones in stock as they seem to be trouble free. A big company like Cabelas can put the squeeze to Lowrance and get results quick unlike us folks just trying to get one problem resolved at a time, I also couldn't wait to get my mits on one and then $700.00 later it doesn't work, mad wasn't the word I would like to use, but I think I finally got a good one. Cabelas did tell me that this one is with the updated software and should be trouble free, and they were sorry for any inconveniences, if anything else goes wrong just bring it back. For me it's a 1.5 hr ride and I'm at the Hamburg store in PA> But if it takes a dump on lake O that's a different story.