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The Oak July 17-20
John Kelley replied to Lundy's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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I use to target them with stickbaits off the planer boards in the early morning(4:30-6:30 a.m.), way up shallow anywhere from 8-15 FOW at the Oak. I used small floating rapalas and went about lake trout speed, or maybe somewhere between laker speed and salmon speed, like 2.0-2.2 or so, and did fairly well. I would usually also run a couple rods shallow on the riggers, with small spoons about 50-80' behind the balls. Usually used smaller rods with 12-15 pound fluorocarbon line for the browns. Use lighter releases on the boards, really loosen up your downrigger releases, and really watch those downriggers, because it is very easy to drag even 8 or 9 pound browns around sometimes and not even know there is a fish on. I hope this helps.
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Target lakers?
John Kelley replied to markmonkey1's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Cowbells all the way, you can't lose. Put them down until they are bonking the fish in the head with them, and go as slow as you can go, and still get them to spin, and you will slaughter them. Peanuts and spin and glows work good, but so do mirage and geen flies behind the cowbells, I have found. Good luck with those lakers! -
copper and lead off of big boards
John Kelley replied to BAITNH's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
I'm with Chris on the heavier and deeper lines to the outside on my spread, but I really think it depends on how you run your spread, as well. I usually run a 10 color off of one board, a 200-300 copper off the other board, and a 4 or 500 copper right down the chute. I don't normally run too many other lines off of my boards, but if I do it is usually a surface line for steelhead. If I keep my copper and leadcore on the boards way out to the boards, I avoid tangling with my longest copper down the chute. It also keeps them from tangling with my divers. I don't worry too much about which rod will go under which rod when the fish hits, I am more worried about tangling metal lines, because it is absolutely no fun to un-tangle them! -
Water Temp for Trout and Salmon?
John Kelley replied to Dan1's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
I look at temperature as a starting point, but like has already been stated, fish the bait, because the kings will be somewhere nearby. Like Tim says, though, I always like to keep one rig (Usually a meat rig) down in that ice water, and the biggest fish I have caught have also come from the cold water. -
line for spoons
John Kelley replied to fisherman 57's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Go ahead and use 12 pound test on spoons all you like, that makes the spoon manufacturers very happy!! I go with 30 lb. Big Game all the way to the swivel, and have not found any difference in getting bitten, versus using lighter lines. What I have noticed when I try to go light, is that yeah, I might get lucky and land a few nice salmon, and then that big screamer comes along and just eats the spoon off of my line like it was candy. I use mostly Moonshine Magnums, and they are not cheap. Remember, this is not some finesse game, and these fish are not walleyes. When you are trolling @ 2.2-3.0 MPH, the fish are not swimming up slowly and eyeballing it like they are when you are jigging or live-bait rigging. It sure sucks when a 25-30 pound fish comes up and rips off your lure, and this can happen even if your drag is set light. King salmon are tackle busting, rig wrecking SOB'S!!! Good luck! -
Sold / Closed 1989, 24' Penn Yan Contender
John Kelley replied to justonemoreobny's topic in Boats for Sale
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Sold / Closed 1988 242 sportcraft w/a UPDATED FOR QUICK SALE
John Kelley replied to tangleweed1's topic in Boats for Sale
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For Sale : USA 1995 Starcraft Islander 220V Outboard
John Kelley replied to pbnj's topic in Boats for Sale
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For Sale : USA 1995 Starcraft Islander 220V Outboard
John Kelley replied to pbnj's topic in Boats for Sale
Seems way under powered to me. I have a 200 Optimax on my 20 foot Tundra, and this thing is 2 feet longer, with a cuddy cabin, and is rated for a 235!! Why would you even think of putting a 150 HP outboard on a 22 foot boat?? I think your asking price would be in the ballpark if you had a 235 on it, but way too high for a 150. I also think your kicker motor is awkward with a tiller handle. Why wouldn't you have it installed inline with the steering wheel and main motor, with throttle controls by the steering column? With having to change out the main motor, and re-aligning the kicker motor, I would only offer you $12,000 Canadian for that rig. Just my opinion, but there are boats on here that are twice what yours is for half the price. -
Olcott or The Oak?
John Kelley replied to codey_allen's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
I would choose the Oak this time of year, for sure! -
Sold / Closed One season New 2 Cannon Mag 10 STX High Speed Downriggers
John Kelley replied to Trorun's topic in Classifieds - Buy, Sell, Trade or Rent
Still for sale? -
Oak 7-10
John Kelley replied to snox49x's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
Nice report and some great fishing, man!! -
Sandy Creek 7/6 (Finally)
John Kelley replied to cdq's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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Oak update
John Kelley replied to Day Break's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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Browns out of I-Bay
John Kelley replied to UNREEL's topic in New York Fishing Reports - Lake Ontario (South Shore)
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Keuka 260 # catfish?
John Kelley replied to Great Lakes Lure Maker's topic in Finger Lakes Discussion
Those big cat pics that always circulate all over the net are the European Wels catfish, and they are not even on this continent! Big blues will push the 150 pound mark, but there is not one on the books over 200 pounds, that I am aware of.