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Dvd, that's a booner. If not its close, his right side has a lot more bone than his left but either way he is a slammer for NY. Unfortunately he may be on the" big boy walk about" hope the hot does in your area keep him on your property. Good luck!! Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I think that was a good idea to try the carpet penetration. The effect I was trying to speculate on was caming the arrow in towards the deer with the nock end angling out. Which is what you said happened. The principle that the blades float after impact reduces the cutting effect after the deer starts running. I'd like to see a study on penetration and different angles, using high speed photography seeing how the two blades react as they come into hide. There may be a big difference if the blades come in at say twelve and six or nine and three. The swacker made their length from tip to blade longer to fight this problem. My theory may be flawed because I can't prove it scientifically but I have seen the results and that's where I'm coming from and trying to explain it. Good hunting to all! Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I agree! The weather and clouds will reduce the length of daylight kicking those first doe into estrus. Photoperiodism, love it!! On Halloween we should see some major boys trolling! Think I'll go fishing... not. Go get em folks! Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Congratulations on the buck! The rage really do shine with a low and back hit no doubt! Would the deer have died from a hit with a fixed blade, probably yes but maybe not as fast. Both are lethal but each has their advantages. I feel that fixed blades have more killing advantages than expandables. JMO Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

So after 3k views and much debate on the subject there are definitely variables that make the rage or expandable head not superior to a well tuned bow with a fixed blade broadhead. My new thought on this particular shot is this: If you are shooting an angle into the deers body the one blade can enter the hide along with the tip with the rear momentum of the arrow going forward the arrow kicks the nock end away from the penetration. Giving you the floppy arrow and poor penetration. I think that having 2" wide blades going into the hide, if the blades are vertical probably ok on the penetration, if its perpendicular no good. ( Cam effect) Therefore I would say that a three or four blade design may get better results on steep angles or quartering angles. This debate is great BTW. Sorry about you losing the buck, my money says there are a bunch of guys that read this that didn't post that have taken questionable shots( not saying you did) but don't want to be embarrassed, I've done it, I learned from each one. Guess that's my point, this post should teach us all to make smarter choices. Be it your choice in broadheads or your choice with shots and placement. Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

May have been this one we found. Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

5-14 and 3-9. Big tie for third or eleventh, lol!! Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

FLTA tourney today 15 or so boats, Only two bows weighed in! We fished around Glenora and found 38.5 degree water on top just North of there, every where else was 52. We caught one short salmon and had a good one on briefly on the rigger. Toughest fishing I have ever seen on that lake. Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

55-56 on top with a funky current headed south... Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Thanks guys. Looking forward too Sunday! Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Lighter color blood with bubbles, lung, dark red can be tough maybe liver or muscle, smell it, it will truly smell a little like liver. Fatty, blood covered arrow can be deceiving your exit hole is what leaves the evidence on your arrow. Smelling your arrow gives up a lot of info. If you shoot a deer and you get a green arrow wait 12 hours minimum! You will track that deer for about 200-300 yards if you don't spook it on your way out. When in doubt back out! If the deer beds carefully examine the bed and it should tell you location if the hit. Note the height of blood on brush and if a pool of blood is formed carefully pull leaves back and find front and back foot prints and the center of the pool will also tell hit location( front to back). Pay really close attention to the little details, go slow and mark your trail, if is its a great blood trail and it suddenly stops look for a double backed deer. As I posted earlier most guys are really good at tracking but even the best can go slower and get better at it. Good luck Shoot em up guys n gals! Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

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Fished Seneca today 8-2pm. Wow it was slow til I found a spot with active fish. Went 2 for 7 only two of the fish were on for more than a few seconds. Not much for details being we have our final tourney for FLTA on Sunday. 6 lb. Landlocked put on a show with a coho like tail walk. Temps were 55 on top. Oh also saw where the perch guys were, lol I won't tell, unless you want to know. Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Welcome to our world, I wear brush pants and heavy gloves. Lots of times I was crawling to get thru the thick stuff... lol Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

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I'll take it... Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

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The only truly good way to train a tracking dog is to work the dog on an easy blood trail to a dead deer. Watch the dog carefully seeing what it does. The dog may stay down wind of the blood trail and may even cut corners. If it lifts its head it is checking air currents and potentially a deer, dead or alive. Go slow, confirm blood, and praise the dog for sticking to and following the blood. You can save blood from a road kill or your own and use a spray bottle but I truly think that is only about a third of what a dog smells during a real track. (tracks, disturbed dirt, deer brushing against stuff, ect. Reward the dog however it makes the dog happy. My dog always gets a cut of the heart. The problem arises for the dog when the deer is still alive and they have to stop tracking. You pull them off a hot track and they look at you like you are an idiot, my girl pouts all the way home. NY is a leashed tracking state so train with a certain collar or harness. There are different opinions on how to teach your dog. Research how dogs are trained to track people, talk to other trackers and most importantly have fun with your dog and make it exciting for both of you. As I look back in what I wrote this is just touching the tip of an iceberg. This subject can have volumes written about it and the next debate is what breed dog is best suited for tracking. Good luck and pm me with any questions, always willing to talk tracking. Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

One happy island, jealous!!! Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Yes, Ithaca area Matt Sacco 607-280-6240. Owego area Neil Lewis 607-343-6479 Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

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My dog and I are Dec licensed deer trackers. We averaged about 30 tracks per year. Couple of things, guys that bow hunt are typically very good blood trailers. They use our service only at the last means possible. Statistically we find very few dead deer, it gets very disappointing for the dog and everyone involved. Triaging the calls saves a usual four hour or more track for a deer that is most likely still alive. If a hunter thinks the deer is dead we do everything we can to prove it one way or another. The dog is a great tool to find deer, mine is now past her her ability to track ( bad hips) but it took years to learn what she was doing. She air checks and smells deer at a distance, she ground checks and follows blood well, but if a fresher deer track crosses our path it's off on that one. The only true way to trust the dog is to know how she acts and to confirm blood. One if her best tracks ever was a 6 day old blood trail. The blood was still visable she took us through some serious multifloral rose (where most bucks die) lol, she found the buck and it jumped up a couple of feet in front of us and bounded away. I will never forget that massive 8 pt that had stickers around the coke bottle sized bases and a chocolate colored rack. Turning to the guy behind me I said looks like our job is done here, he said " that was un.......believable". That is also the reason no one carries a gun behind us, too tempting. The reason we do it is because the dog loves it and so do I. We get to see lots of cool properties, meet nice guys and gals, great exercise, and finding those few that don't go to the coyotes is priceless. Next year there will be a new puppy, if mama says it's ok... Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Beauty buck, just curious are you in tioga county? My buddy has sheds that match that deer. Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Thanks for the report how were the waves? I'm thinking of going in the am. Sent from my C771 using Lake Ontario United mobile app