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It is considerably heavier...almost 2 times 45lb. Early estimates on the conservative side are 30' sink for 100' copper. Could end up being more..quite a bit more. I think they are shooting for end of May to publish numbers. Not sure what speeds those figures are at which obviously impacts how deep it will go. I do know that only an Albright knot will work for getting the knot through an Okuma 55. Swivels/heatshrink is tight.. Tekotas no problem on swivels..

Blood Run rarely kinks..and if you do kink it you can pull it back out and continue fishing.

The 60lb is pretty heavy duty stuff, one time through should be fine. Albright Knot also works very well with the 60lb.

Its a good question to ask, lots of debate on how much backer is enough. Lots of guys try to compare a rigger or diver run from a fish with a copper run. You have to remember the couple pounds of line and drag from a planer board slows those fish WAAYY down. Not to mention, its important to have confidence in your line and drag. Most setups are 50lb braid backer or at least 30lb mono backer, heavy copper line, 30lb+ copper leader and 40-50lb fly leader. None of that is going to break on a 20 or 30lb class fish...just not going to happen unless the line is damaged. Tighten those drags and save your arms, no need to just give a fish 800+ feet of line because it wants it.

Its a little different when the fish is pulling around 450' of copper and a planer board...cant compare that to a rigger or diver "run". It doesn't appear that 1000+ plus has come off that 47lc Sealine either..still more than half full? Hard to tell.. Attached is a 29 from the day before Wilson last year...450' copper 450' backer. http://www.coppertrollingwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/414735_377360985634808_775008599_o.jpg

Send pics of your 30lb average Tim....lol.

Guys, you might want to wait a couple weeks before making any kind of investment based upon presumed sink rates as illustrated in this thread...leadcore, new leadcore and copper. There is new technology being released on the market that will show exactly where all of this stuff really sinks to. There WILL be data forthcoming from a variety of sources on what does what. From what has been discussed, all of us will be quite surprised.. With that said, leadcore and copper do not fish the same way, each has their own action. I would say leadcore is only relevant in the top 40 feet of water, and tends to snake and not track straight behind your boards like copper will. It has a difficult time fishing in any kind of current...copper does much better in those situations. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=514077205296518&set=a.189136177790624.36335.175575315813377&type=1&theater

450 feet is plenty of backing. Plenty...

Big thanks to everyone who showed up and stopped by the Lotsa show! There should be a number of new dealers on Lake O, Finger Lakes and in Canada carrying Blood Run products this season if you weren't able to get in on the great deals. A few new items did not make it to the LOTSA show but should be in stores soon and available online at various dealers (Bretts Place, Fish USA, Janns Netcraft, ClearH20 Tackle) 60lb Super Copper Extreme Rigger Mono Pink Hard Edge Meat Rig Fluorocarbon Leader Walleye Super Copper Walleye Monofilament Walleye Harness Leader

Blood Run backer is fluorocarbon coated hi-vis, does not absorb water or UV, won't break down like regular mono. Multi season use and much less expensive than braid. They should have quite a bit of it for sale at the Lotsa show in a couple of weeks.

They are accepting pre-orders over the phone at 616-439-0438. They wont have show pricing up anywhere to take orders online as they are switching websites shortly. They can get you pricing and payment info on the phone and will bring those orders up to the show. Even if you don't pre order there is a good chance they should have plenty of inventory on hand. The only item they wont have a lot of is the bulk 3000' spools of copper, so its wise to pre order on that to make sure you can get it. There will be plenty of diver wire, fluorocarbon in 20-50lb test, copper backer material and rigger mono.

Great article, thanks Capt. Have you noticed any significant increase in blowback on the 40lb mono due to larger diameter, especially when running riggers 100+ ?

Good Point.. Just trying to get out of a bunch of reeling.. plus get an idea of how much 20# mono will fit with 10 colors of core. Thanks These rigs will be strictly for walleye on Erie or N/E Ontario. It's doubtful well be getting into any real screamers on them, so we shouldn't need too much backing. I just like mono better for clipping onto the boards. Thanks This might work for you.. http://bloodruntackle.wazala.com/?page= ... t&id=42240

Good points. We like to use the Walleye boards on our short coppers (50-300's) and they work fantastic. The thing that has helped us the most with the Church Walleye boards is to slide the weight all the way forward. That helps the board run further out and forward as well as balancing out the weight of the copper behind it. We bend up the plastic releases as well just to keep them higher off the water, which also helps the boards run up further. We also put our rod holders up as high as we can, even running copper rods up off the arch. The higher the rod tip is, the further out the boards will pull to the outside and forward.

Blood Run is coming out with their new Sea Flee line this season...25lb test, round shape but slick silicone embedded into the resin mixture of the mono to make it difficult for fleas to hang on. Also super abrasion resistant. They will have it on sale at the LOTSA show end of Feb and in their webstore soon.

Your my hero! What reel can you put 1000'of copper on? [ Post made via Android ] Shimano 30 Wides. They are offshore saltwater reels. Best thing about them is when they go off it sounds like a chainsaw! They put insane amounts of line back on the reel per crank, stick them in a rod holder and go (after you take the board off). Not sure exactly how far down they are, but we pull huge lakers 300 down (as seen on the sonar) with them.. The perfect setup for the unruly customer But we use them in certain tournament situations as well.

We have pulled 1000' coppers with tx 44' s.....no issues. Point your rod tip at the water and they come in easily....even when hooked up. That's the trick to inlines....tip to the water. [ Post made via Android ]

LOTSA show prices and pre order prices will be available soon. Charter capts should contact them directly for additional discount pricing. [ Post made via Android ]

Watch the sales on bulk monofilament from retail outlets.! Usually dumping old inventory....the last thing you want is mono past it's shelf life. [ Post made via Android ]

Outside of the visibility or lack thereof....the biggest benefit to fluorocarbon with the super hard leader variety is the extreme abrasion resistance. Nothing is better for flies and leaders in terms of toughness. [ Post made via Android ]

Thanks for the feedback, hope the info was helpful. Board spacing is a big deal with wide programs like this, and pulling the right angle into the current is paramount to its success...and pulling multiple inlines actually tells us the best angle to troll. Compound a high diver out 400 with a 600 copper running over it things can get dicey. Prior to the intro of the TX-44 inlines we struggled to get long coppers with flashers out far enough. But, the 44's are unbelievable at what they do an can pull out as far as necessary. That said, when the high diver goes off we rip the rod out of the holder and get it over to the other side of the boat immediately just to avoid it coming up under the 600.....it works. A few years back our DNR pushed the limit up to 5 per person so as charter operators, some of us felt compelled to continue to deliver the limit catches our customers got used to. So instead of 12 fish being a good day, now if we dont come back with at least 20 to 30 its a bad day! We had to stretch the limits of what we had to do on the water to hit those numbers consistently in a 5-6 hour trip so we pushed the envelope. Anyway, looking forward to maybe meeting some of you guys if you are going to the show in Feb. We have alot of interest in some tactics you guys use as well and hopefully we can pick up some tricks to use over here.

We successfully and at a minimum run three coppers a side but more regularly run 4-5 coppers a side here on Lake Michigan. That with two wire divers each side is a very standard spread for rec boats and charter boats here on lake MI. What we have found is that generally an optimum strike zone is roughly 30 feet in the water column. Example, strike zone in early spring would be lets say 40 feet down. Our spread would be three riggers (Lake MI standard) at 25, 30 and 40. Two wire divers each side at 90 and 140, and then 4 coppers a side at 100, 150, 200 and 250 foot segments. Those will run at 20, 30, 40 and 50 feet down respectively. Sometimes we will run a 300' to keep them honest at 60' down. We have effectively just stuffed the strike box with 15 rods with that program. We ONLY run coppers off inline boards, for a variety of reasons. We prefer to use Church Walleye boards for our short coppers. For our long 350+ coppers we pull them with Church TX-44 inlines. If fish are deeper, and optimum strike zone is 120 down, we would pull riggers at 110, 120 and 140. Two wire divers each side of the boat set at 300 and 400 respectively, and 3 coppers a side at 450, 500 and 600...again pulled with Church TX44 inlines, which are the only inlines capable of pulling longer coppers with paddles on them. Described above is a very vanilla standard Lake MI program guys pull all day long over here. Most of us never turn, we straight line troll into the current, so tangles are at a minimum. We do occasionally make wide turns with this program with good spacing between boards without issue. I will be covering this setup in great depth with visuals at the Blood Run Tackle table at the LOTSA show in late Feb. Stop by and we can go over some finer details. Also, we run 50, 100 and 150 coppers all day long in 40 feet of water and less. We no longer pull leadcore over here, and its quickly going the way of the dinosaur for a number of reasons. Your depths here would be 10, 20 and 30 feet down with those segments. Deadly on staging kings and steel when the lake rolls over and cold water gets trapped onshore.