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A friend of mine sent me this link. I thought I would pass it on. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=34e_1417758801
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50" Musky susquehanna river
muskiedreams replied to 1dogshy's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
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At least it only takes 4 or 5 years for them to mature. With muskies, it takes about that long for them to grow to 30" Then they only grow about an inch a year. So it takes a good 18 to 20 yrs or more for them to be trophy size. And tey don't stock muskies in Lake Ontario or the east end of Lake Erie. There are also the trout to fall back on if there is one bad year class. Browns and steelhead can give a lot of good action. I would say that a long as they keep stocking it should be ok in the long run, barring any major natural (or unnatural) set back. It might be the weather paterns this year that influenced the productivity. I know a guy that dives in the Upper Niagara River and he said that things were different there as well. Much of the zebras were scoured fron the botton by the ice. There were less of manny game fish and even less gobies. Mother nature has a tendency to change things every year to a certain extent but she is also verry resillient.
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Niagara River Musky Reports
muskiedreams replied to mostlymuskies's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
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50" Musky susquehanna river
muskiedreams replied to 1dogshy's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
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50" Musky susquehanna river
muskiedreams replied to 1dogshy's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
I am not too familliar with the Susquahanna except that when I was a kid we used to go to visit my grandparents in Shamokin PA. This was in the mid to late 60s before all the highways were built. The roads were all one lane on each side. It was always a nail biter every time my dad went pass a truck going up a long steep grade. We used to follow the river for quite a while and cross it a few times. It was probably pretty poluted then. -
50" Musky susquehanna river
muskiedreams replied to 1dogshy's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
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50" Musky susquehanna river
muskiedreams replied to 1dogshy's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
As you can see in the study, there were several flowages and a river or two involved in the study. It is true that every fishery is different and there is a fine balance of all factors including stocking, forage base, fishing pressure, birds, weather events (especially in conjunction with flowage changes), pathogens, algae, aquatic vegtation, various types of runoff from farming, mining, industrial activity and other human activity. Even the presence a certain bug can have an affect. When a fishery changes, there are usually multiple factors involved. If you look back at the recorded history of events, conclusions, and actions taken by your state DNR fisheries specialists, you will probably find some answers. It is possible that muskies were a factor if there is in fact a change in forage base or other gamefish populations, but I doubt it is the sole factor. One thing about tigers is that they do not reproduce. So, if they become a problem, they can be eliminated from the system by simply ending stocking. The fisheries biologist are our best bet in managing our fisheries. They are not perfect. They can make mistakes. They are sometimes slow to take action but they can't just react without analyzing a situation detemining the best course of action. There are also sometimes other roadblocks and hurdles they have to overcome. It is by no means a perfect system but it is the best we have. The best thing you can do is to work with them, let them know what your concerns are and learn what they are doing to address your concerns. But you should never take matters into your own hands. That can get you in trouble and maybe cause other problems. By the way, How many walley do you harvest per year and how many other anglers are also harvesting them? How much baitfish harvesting activity is occouring? Is there any significant numbers of fish being taken by Native Americans? If you are on the water that many days, your observations (and that of others) while on the water may provide significant data that can be used to better manage the fishery. Ask your DNR what you can do to help them. -
50" Musky susquehanna river
muskiedreams replied to 1dogshy's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
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Heading up to the St Lawrence
muskiedreams replied to HybridHunter's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
Darrell. I guy I know, Jim Kinner, who dives and shoots video in the Niagara River was just showing a video he made this year at this month's NMA meeting. He said he was using a filter (for the first time) that worked very well to filter out the green. In the past he was not able to get the videos to look as clear as that one did. He could only do so much in the editing before he would loose brightness. It was like night and day compared to many of his previous videos. If you want, I can ask him what the filter color was. I think it was a particular shade of green. -
As of late Friday night there was no small craft advisory but I found out at 4:30 Saturday morning that one was issued overnight. Jim and I still went. When we arrived there was two other fishermen (one boat) waiting. Since we were the only ones and there was a small craft advisory we canceled the tournament. There will not be another date set. This is partially because even from the beginning there was not a lot of interest in it. The other boat went out from Sheridan and we launched at the Isle View launch. The wind was managable and we fished till about 7pm. I got a 34" casting at 10:30am and Jim had a hit that didn't stick about 20 min before that right next to the boat. The lure came flying out of the water and behind my back. Both were on one of Jim's new lure models. I had one get off about 6:30 trolling a Mr. Toothy deep. no other action. There was a lot of hooks and bait above and below the S. Grand Island bridge.
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Unfortunately, the weather does not look good for this Sat. and: WE WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE TO POSTPONE IT AGAIN. They have not yet issued a Small Craft Advisory but I think it is iminent. Winds are going to start ramping up early AM and by 10 AM will be out of the S at 16 knots with gusts to 21. As you can see on the chart, much of the day it will be around 20 knots with gusts at 25 to 27. NOT GOOD. Click here for charts As you can also see from the chart, Sunday should be OK. The only thing is that with the winds on Sat., the water might be brown with very low visibility. This might make for very low catches, if any. I was thinking that since Friday night will have more favorable winds and conditions, it might be worth considering holding it as a Nite Bite Tourney on Fri. night. Maybe midnight to 8AM. That will get us off the water just as the wind is starting to ramp up. See charts for Friday's conditions. Please give me your input. With the likelihood of Saturday postponement, Friday night or Sunday may be our best chances to hold the tourney. Otherwise, we will have to hope for a better chance later in the month.
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BSmaster, tmag recently posted a comment to the Catch & Release topic pinned to the top of this forum. There is a lot of information that he has collected over a long period of time, including correspondence with fisheries management professionals in NY and PA. There is so much material there that it will take a long time to wade through it all. I did see some discussions there about the rivers in NY Southern Tier and also the PA rivers that you might be interested to read. From the little that read, I get the impression that there are many other factors that have affected multiple species in these rivers. Sometimes it is much more complicated than it appears to be.
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Niagara River Musky Reports
muskiedreams replied to mostlymuskies's topic in Musky, Tiger Musky & Pike (ESOX)
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There are many permanent docks on the upper Niagara River along Grand Island. You might want to ask Smith Boys or one of the other marinas on the river. They might be able to point you in the right direction.
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Unfortunately we may have to postpone again. The forecast is calling for N winds sustained at 14 knots with gusts to 22 at 8AM and 20 from 9AM to 2PM with small craft advisory. I beleive the small craft advisory is issued for winds 20 knots or higher. Will check again this evening and talk to Jim around 5 or 6PM then give a final determination. With winds bucking against the current the waves can get real choppy. rougarou, Nice 45 incher you got with Larry on Wednesday!!
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That's good. There are still quite a few walleye and perch fisherman out there that beleive muskies are killing all the walleye and perch. I actually met one a few weeks ago at the Field & Stream grand opener. I tried to convince him that it isn't true. I am not sure if I got through to him. I wonder if the main reason they hate muskies and pike is that sometimes one will bite off their lure.
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ontherise, If you are serious about this statement, please read these two links with an open mind. I am sure I can find more items that support the findings here. I have read a lenghly report on the study that was done by the Minnesota DNR That study, I beleive involved about 20 lakes over a 10 year period. http://www.thenextbite.tv/sites/default/files/WhatDoMuskiesReallyEat.pdf http://www.lakevermilion.com/muskies/htmls/diets.html
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You can't always do everything perfect. Every situation is different. It does help to understand, be prepared and strive for the best possible catch and release procedure. There will sometimes be situations where things won't go as smoothly as you would have liked. You have to learn from each C&R and think about what you can do the next time to make things go smoother. You just have to do the best you can for the safety of the fish, your fishing partner and yourself. Ivan, Your post came up while I was writing this. Thank you. It is a perfect example of what I am trying to say. Part of what we have to do is to learn from every situation and our mistakes and help others with what we have learned in a respectful manor without belittling them for thier mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes and not every release goes as smoothly as we would like. Sometimes the fish causes dificulty or there is another unforseen circumstance. The most important thing is to stress the importance of doing the best we can for the sake of our valuable fisheries and to educate those who are new to musky fishing, do not understand or have misconceived understanding (such as walleye anglers who still beleive that muskies kill many walleye).
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It always seems to be difficult to hold a tournamet there this time of the year. There is always many days of high winds in the fall. On top of that, when there are heavy SW winds, Lake Erie and the river turn to mud that can take two or three days to clear up. If this Saturday is too windy, we will probably have to postpone it another week. We are reluctant to hold it on Sunday, the 2nd, out of respect to the Niagara Musky Association which will be holding their annual Tim Witek Memorial Tournament that day.