The lakers are just stacked up right now from the ladders to the glass house. They were in 90-140 feet but the sweet spot was right around 125. Use ether a cowbell with a peanut rig 24" behind it or a chartreuse size 0 dodger with a chartreuse spin and glow 24" behind it. I think Narbys has both of them. If you need help rigging the up I could send some pictures. Go at a speed of 1.8- 20 and drop your downrigger balls till they hit the bottom then bring them up a couple feet. You won't be able to keep them off your lines. I hope this helps Chuck let me know if you need some pictures of the rigs