I tend to lean the way Ray does. I`ve been trying these (to me) newfangled techniques; lead core, wire w/dipseys, downriggers, and it`s a real PITA for me. I find I have lures out of the water more than in clearing lines, reeling in 5000 feet of leadcore, etc. Besides catching something, man it`s nice to just sit back, have a cup of coffee and enjoy the day. Put two rods out, sit back, play cards or read, and wait for the big one. Now that`s fishing in my book.