Rich s

When I pulled my islander out of the Hudson River after a month at dock it had nasty crud, algae and zebra mussels . I power washed all the stuff I could but it still left the brown scum and still looked nasty. I used simple green , scotch brite pads , elbow grease and a final spray down with the power washer again . Looks like new again now !! Scrub , scrub , scrub !! My suggestion is after you get it cleaned off is to wax and buff the heck out of it ( I didn't ) before you drop it back in the water ( did this time ) It will help removing the scum the next time.

Ok, so now I see how some of the boats get the most bites just like ice fishing, you carpet bomb them, lol cant' wait,

Thanks Sk8.. I got the jest and risks of it.. I guess the thing to do is start slow and let it grow once we work out the bugs.. still a little confused about the fixed cheater as this above is how I picture it and I have those releases also already.. We shall see, Think I'm going to try some lake trolls / hammer heads on the bottom for lakers and do a rubber band/fixed on one and free slide on the other with flutter spoons for salmon.. My concern especially there was getting multiple releases to trip when a fish strikes.. I guess the solution is to keep the tension fairly light from the rod to the release and watch the rod tips more. I'd rather be fishing then cutting rigs apart all day so wish me luck, lol Thanks again: Rich Rich

I want to thank everyone who gave some insight into how they rig their set up for this.. I never would have thought about doing this (still new) until I read this thread. I plan on trying to do this next week on a pre-Ontario shakedown trip to Lake George for lakers & salmon.. It seems there are various ways to set the cheater up so I'm going to go through each one with a few questions and please give me some pro's- con's.. Option-1 1. Free sliding seems most easiest , attach main lure to bottom with release , start letting it down then attach a swivel/ coast lock to the main line with a 6' (?) leader off the swivel with second lure , correct ? Question- how far down do you drop the main lure before hooking the snap (secondary) lure to the main line, all the way ? 2. I also see it can be done using another release set up hooking it free sliding on the rigger cable, is there any advantage to this ? Is there ever a problem getting TWO releases to trigger ? Option-2 1. same as above but make it fixed . Now it seems you must attach the secondary lure fixed to the rigger cable with a release AND the cheater line. Same question ? Is there an advantage or con to having essentially 3 release points (1-to cable-1 to cheater line -1 to bottom main lure ) all must release correct ? 2. Would it possible to just use a rubber band to the rigger cable as the "fixed" release and snap the secondary lure to the rubber band ? Does the rubber band stay pretty fixed to cable or does it tend to slip down ? Option-3 (don't even know if it's an option) 1. Is it possible to run a stacker (fixed) release with another rod while using the cheater rig ? It seems I might just be asking for trouble but... Finally a general question: for the secondary (cheater) lure, can you use a stick bait (rapala f-9 or 11 ) for the secondary lure instead of a spoon ? again I might just be asking for a big mess but I'm learning through your folks great experience.. Thank you kindly Rich

Great job men braving this lousy weather. I had some friends stay over this weekend to do not 1 but 2 boats projects. It was freezing and snowing all day sat then sunny and mud city yesterday . Boat # 1 was a complete tear out on a 17' back troller . That was fun stuff ripping and tearing out all old nasty rotten wood and stinky carpet. Boat # 2 was to install ( under the tarp ) all the electronics ( stereo, amp ,6 speaker system & new chart plotter ) on the islander . We ran into a snag on that boat needing a new switch panel system. Having good friends help is always a blast and welcomed. By weekends end we could have built a whole complete 3 rd boat outta blue aluminum cans Now all we need is some SUN !!!!

Not intending to put the short shaft on the starcraft islander. Background story : Had( have) a 1955 Johnson 7.5 sea horse that was my baby on my 14' Jon- boat UNTIL it didn't like ethanol , at all !! I would clean the carb, tank and new lines but it started to strand me a few times. Striper season was fast approaching and I NEEDED another motor fast. Brother in law had the 15 hp long shaft for a reasonable price so I figured why not.. DUMB move putting a long shaft on a short transom. The thing would fly, I mean like no steering control and like a kite in the wind. It got me through the season but boy was it a hairy ride sometimes. Then so happened a 9.9 short shaft came my way and it was PERFECT for my Jon - Boat . Hence I now have 3 outboards in my basement ( the carry weight thing ) and might as well put the 15 hp long shaft to good use on the back of the islander because its not if the main motor will give me a problem , its when. Having a kicker on the big Lake Ontario seems like insurance that's cheap.

The 15 is an 87 evenrude long shaft The 9.9 is a 2000 Yamaha short shaft. Maybe the same as far as engine but I can say , the 9.9 Yamaha is WAY heavier , at least from a lifting it up and ( trying ) to carry it stand point . Lol. I looked at the specs from both the 71056 & 71033 . The width & height of the mounting plate to the transom is the same. Basically it came down to the *** they put next to the 71033 saying it was reinforced with heavier parts . I'm sure either would be fine but hopefully reinforcement is a better thing, I hope ..

I'm going with the 71033 . It says it has reinforced bracket*** , only one that says that . http://www.garelick.com/Stainless-Steel-Auxiliary-Outboard-Motor-Brackets-For-2-Stroke-Motors I'm sure the 71056 is plenty but seeing that I am throwing a 15 hp on there I figure why not get the extra support. Thanks for this thread it has helped me for sure

Actually found it 71033 is what I'm thinking

Been looking through the kicker pages , way back. Think I like this set up. Can you post a link or model type? I have a 1987 15 hp ( 2 stroke ) evenrude long shaft that I'd like to mount on my starcraft islander 221 I/0 15 hp is over kill but its just sitting in my basement, weight wise its about the same as my 2000 Yamaha ( 2 stroke ) 9.9 short shaft .

No worries. I just don't understand the need for the captains license unless you are interested in getting paid a " fee" for taking people out on your boat. As others have said and I will as well, if you take friends or folks you invite out and they help share the expense then what is that any different then going anywhere else ( deer camp, fishing or dinner ) ? "Providing a service " by definition is how it makes things different then just sharing the expense of a fishing trip aboard your vessel . IMO Good luck

Not trying to stir it up but sea -v it sounds like you are trying to justify the means of taking " clients " out , not so much friends or folks you invite aboard. You should go the route of getting a captains license . Just another way of looking at things here: If you invite someone to stay over at your house or for dinner , would you expect them to pay board or chip in for food ? A good gesture from someone invited is to maybe bring a bottle of wine/ case of beer or desert but I would never expect that nor would I ask.

I been reading through the threads and great to hear about sea-v interested in learning. I was a guide ( stream, hunt, hike & camp ) for 11 years. For me it was about trying to help and teach others the things I enjoy. The only downside ( if it were ) is you are the instructor not the student meaning , they hunt, they fish. It really limited " my" outdoors activities so I decided to turn in my badge. All that said, : If you really have to ask how much things like that cost or start adding up the costs and scratch your head, then it's best not to get that involved . Very, very few ever recoup the amount of time and money invested. Yes some do make a living at that game but its a small percentage . My only thoughts as to bringing folks out on my boat : I only bring folks out that I chose . I only go when I can afford to. If I expect or have to ask for compensation then its because I can't afford to go. At that point I don't . If friends I bring help chip in then I accept, if they don't then its no worries because I feel they are unable, we are still friends and I will still ask them to go fishing when I can. Good luck to everyone this boating season Rich