I used to run them from time to time 4 Browns and steelhead on Ontario with quite a bit of success when I lived out there. Seems like not many people out there even know what they are though. Only problem was Kings would tear them up and you can't really put a big enough hook on them without affecting the action to make them viable King lures . Now I live closer to Champlain and I challenge you to find a trout and salmon troller that doesn't have at least 20 in their box. Deadly on the land locks