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The urge for Mother Nature to keep the specie going is so strong , she will do what she has to . Even if conditions aren't perfect. King salmon were originally from the harsh environment of the Pacific ocean . They don't get to 30# in 3 years by being frail . We are 15 generations from the first stocks and IMO they are adapting the LO ecosystem . We already see some evidence of this from staging and timing of staging of spawning runs . I don't think some of you guys give mother nature enough credit .
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I have seen these fish spawning in drainage ditches . I feel it is not the bigger streams so much but the smaller . Such as Bald eagle , Maxwell ,etc . Those that have moving or estuary water that is close to the lake . The fish spawn from mid Oct to mid Dec . Eggs hatch 6 to 20 weeks . Cold enough to sustain them . Waters rise and floods come and flush some of the fry Into the lake . Not really so far fetched to think this maybe happening . At least on a small scale . Also as waters warm in spring , that in and out surge of tide like cool water that comes in May force them to stay in that water and suck them out into the lake Maybe it's up to 10 % of the 50 % of the Nat reproduction but it could be some . And there would be really no way to know if in fact this was happening . .
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HB2 replied to Dane Vanderheyden's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
And most fish from May to the end are caught from 40 to 90 ft down . Well within range of a standard size dipsey . Yup , there are times they are deeper . But that's worst case scenario on my end of the lake . For a guy wanting to get in the dipsy game , buy a spool 65# braid and a standard size dipsy . Don't need a special rod with a twilly . As long as you have a line counter and med action downrigger rod , you are in . Might not be the best but will work . -
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HB2 replied to Dane Vanderheyden's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
I trust my knots . When I steelhead fly fish , I have up to 5 knots between me and a fish . On my rigger rods I have 20 # , then 150 ft of 30 or 40 # , then 20# Or 15# to my lure , and knot to swivel ,rarely breaks . But my wire did have a kink in it last year I did not see ( well maybe I did ) and when I went to pop the dipsy it broke and took 150 ft of wire ,my dipsy, a spinny and fly, and two swivels . Never had my braid break . -
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HB2 replied to Dane Vanderheyden's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
I bought a 1000 ft spool of wire . I put 333 ft over my braid backing So when I get a kink and have to cut 150 ft off , I can replace 2 more times I don't put any more than 300 ft out on my dipsey rods,so only wire is in the water . I'm a cheapskate , so this is how I do it . I have one wire and three braid . I get fish on all . I always check my lines frequently because I am impatient . Also many times I find weeds or whatever on my line or the line / hook may not be right because I set it out wrong . Or a fish took a swipe At it and messed up the baithead . -
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This is why you need to be turning a lot going with against, sideways , and angles to the waves so you are at least going the correct speed some of the time . Buckets in and out of the water a lot till you dial it in . Yes there are crazy currents out there you have to deal with but it's not impossible without a probe . If you are marking fish and not hooking up . Most likely it's you speed . If you use proven lures . IMO it doesn't have to be exact . The only time SOG will help is if on the hit isay you are going with the waves and you note the speed . Going into the waves will be different , probably slower at the ball but faster boat speed . Note direction and SOG on the hit and duplicate it .
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Can you see your riggers on your fish finder ? Keep them in / below bait fish . I fished no fish hawk for years . With no speed make sure you are turning a lot and changing direction a lot . Don't be afraid to troll straight into the waves . Drag a bucket or two to slow down . See my post in tackle tech section . Generally speaking , slow down going with the waves , speed up going into it . Watch cable angle . I run 10# weights and have been forever so that's not your problem . . Have a rod with a spoon ready to check your speed boat side to at least check . A hand held GPS will be at least some references. Note direction of boat upon the hit My best rig as of late,has,been an 11" White flasher . 25 to 35 ft leads . Black / silver green glow or glow frog mags are my go to.
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I put my lowest in like 48 deg water and one 15 to 25 ft above on the other rigger . But lately I have been using all flashers for the the most part . I figure the active fish can feel or see them and have no problem moving up or down to hit them. Sometimes I Will stack 2 spoons on one rigger ( I have 2) , one 10 ft above & one 10 ft below the flasher on the other rigger . Then adjust from there . Temp can be overrated , especially from now on IMO.
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I blew up a bucket today trolling into the rough water . I like to keep them out not only to reduce speed but to stabilize the boat . These are a big a part of my equipment as my rods or downriggers.they are in and out of the water all day . I store them on my hardtop upside,down on the rocketlaunchers and the sun probably doesn't help them . Took me 15 min to make 2 . Guys ask once in a while so here it is,.
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I think I solved the problem as I have not been bit off since I changed .And I have hook a,good amount of kings the last 2 days I don't like what I did , but it seems to work till I come up with a better solution . I worry about balance and weight . I noticed the Dream weaver meat rigs have a piece of plastic , let's call it tube , a few inches above the hook . The Scotty heads have the same .
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HB2 replied to Dane Vanderheyden's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Disagree . I have been using 65 # power pro for about 10 years now , right a long side the my wire. The wire gets less fleas , but the braid if checked more frequently works well with less of a learning curve . Such as,kinks and coils . -
First light out to a good chop . Went west and set up in 80 . No other boats in sight . Till I got close to the nose . Only used 2 rods off the riggers as it was rough . Two hand painted 11" white hot spots . One I call Martha Stewart and the other Binwadin. Both with Gary D rigs . One glow head , one luminescent head . Immediate action and was hot for the first 2 hrs . Spent most of the morning fishing straight into it so fighting/ landing fish was,tough . Boated 4 kings , 3 in the 20# range and a steelhead before pulling the plug . Dropped two more screamers and had about 4 more releases . 90 to 130 seemed best 65 to 85 down . Orleans next . With all the fish I get ,can I ever get on the leader board ?
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HB2 replied to Dane Vanderheyden's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
Mono has a ton of stretch , which is bad for a dipsy. If you are great lakes salmon trolling , with the gear and speeds and depths you need to get to , mono don't cut it . Mono will and can work , but it certainly is not the best thing . Buy a 150 yard spool of 50 or 65# power pro and put it over 20# test backing on a,line counter reel and the right rod and see do yourself . 20$ for the line . Some days , dipsy kill it . -
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HB2 replied to Dane Vanderheyden's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
If you want to know why you are not getting dipsy hits , the mono is your answer . -
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HB2 replied to Dane Vanderheyden's topic in Questions About Trout & Salmon Trolling?
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Out first light with everyone else . Gary D rigs on the riggers were on fire first 1.5 hrs . Then is slower right down for us . Made some adjustments to my leader and not one break off .2 good kings had the hook down its throat . Still not happy with how it is . But it's a,work in progress. Wound up with 8 fish for about 15 hits 5 kings and 3 Lakers my boy with a 24#
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Back at it again first light 4 flashers and my Gary D rig . 1 release in 1.5 hrs Put out a,few spoons and took a steel head . Flasher goes off , nothing there. Flasher goes again . Grab the rod and,feel the fish shaking his head and the line breaks again . I have had 3 meathead breakoffs in 2 mornings . And about 10 since spring 25# Flouro and 40# big game . I am convinced now that they are bite offs . As I hook the hook on my rod holder and yank hard on the leader and it's,strong.I have,also unhooked many fish that has the hook down its,throat . Very dissapointing as I found something that really works for me but I can't land the fish . Never,had,thus happen to me to this degree. 50# braid tommorow
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First light . Slow start , then a real nice Atlantic that went a little crazy and got in the dipsy and made a mess . Had to cut off 125 ft of wire . Steady pick all morning with flurries of activity . Went 9 for about about 16 hit . Got everything but a brown . Nothing big. The Gary D rig was my best again but that is about all I have been using. Big white,flashers in front . A black glow spin Dr took 2 steelhead . .Put out a few spoons and had a real nice steelhead hit at 70 ft and come straight up and jump 4 ft out of the water and throw the hook . Love it when they do that . 90 to 130 60 to 90 down a
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Everybody has their thing , maybe this could be mine . All I know is it has,been very consistent for me . I am still working the bugs out on it . I have a bunch of trolling flies and don't use them any more because I do well or better with it and more importantly , I have confidence with it .and what I post is real . Wish I had easy access to plastic designer / mold maker . I could see this changing the way we fish or at least put another good arrow in our quiver . Headed out in the AM . Will let you know .
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After getting a call from a friend today and being 1.5 hrs away , getting towed in myself and towing others in , it has occurred to me we should establish a network of guys on here that can be contacted to lend a tow . Luckily I gave him a number to call and the guy was out fishing near him and it worked out . But what if no one was? That lake can look big and lonely with no power to get back , especially in a rough sea. Kind of sucks to have to pull lines on a hot bite , but I would have zero problems doing it . Each port could have a,network of guys . Any thoughts ?