Lucky13
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I have used this downrigger on my Raddison canoe, just had to use pieces of plywood to spread the force out when clamping. I've also used it on a 12 ft StarCraft, and a 14 ft. Herter. You may be in too small a boat for Canandaigua if your boat is smaller than those. Or, just keep sounding like an outboard, but, but, but, but...… -
I have a Canon mini troll, and it works fine if you don't mind all the cranking. And it is limited to 100' of cable, so likely 75 to 80 max depth.
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Within a margin of error, the trawling data should present a picture of the overall density of bait out there. If there was twice as much bait, a random sampling effort along transects should produce a picture of approximately twice the density of the fish, like was seen back in the beginnings of the work. If they went out and chased the sonar until they found schools, the picture would no longer be unbiased but would be heavily skewed. By running the same basic program, they get rid of the bias. And they then analyze the fish caught for age and size structure, "icing on the data cake." -
The bass did not take over the trout lakes. People moved the bass. They dominate the lake or pond eating down the available food, and the small trout, but, because of the long cold winters, and colder temperatures of these water bodies, they don't get big. Trout ponds and lakes are NOT bass habitat, and just because someone likes to fish for bass does not give them the right to "convert" a water body to their personal preference. Lots of good bass lakes around, leave the trout lakes alone. -
LL salmon, and sometimes rainbows, are often attracted to motor noise, we catch them right in the prop wash in the Adirondacks all the time. Maybe the same thing is going on there. -
It occurs to me that I don't recall seeing the "bait paper" posted on this site ( I could be wrong, I could have missed it.) But in case anyone has not seen this, here is the report that is on the Great Lake's Fishery Commission website, for the 2019 trawl survey. http://www.glfc.org/pubs/lake_committees/ontario/2019_preliminary_status_of_Lake_Ontario_Alewife.pdf
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Scared nearly to death. Great story, why I don't use my canoe on the big pond despite knowing one guy who is out there every month of the year with his. I used a 13 foot Whaler for work, had to run to Braddock's from the river for a project, we were fine going out at 05:30 AM for the three days we were out there, but when I would pick up and head for the river around noon when it started getting rougher, my college intern would be looking a little green around the gills. The third day was picking up considerably faster, after I told him we were low on gas as we headed in, I noticed the green had spread to all of his face, not just the gills! . I think he transferred to a business major when he returned to school in the fall. -
ECHO Lake!
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Well, looking at Shrechstoff's graphs, the 2018 alewife class was both very small in numbers and small in size, both length and total biomass. Also, as someone who was around when there were massive alewife dieoffs, I can remember 2 very small ones in the last 25 years, nothing even close to what we regularly experienced along shore in the 60's. As to size of the overall population, they are only tracking 6 year classes, basically (I think) because by the 7th year they are insignificant in the totals. While 2013 and 14 are expected to be nearly gone now, as they were the " hole" to begin with, how much of the 2015 hatch remains? The majority of the large alewife preferred by Kings remaining out there are one year class , the 2016 hatch. My mother always told me never to put all the eggs in one basket!
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When you have one of the major universities in town, and a college as well, there tend to be lots of good restaurants, bars, etc. Check out college town, and while it has been a long time since I've been there, the Rogdovian Embassy in Trumansburg was a great bar. And don't neglect to check out the waterfalls, at least from the overlook at Toughhanock, but also the one you fish by on Fall Creek, as they say " Ithaca is gorges!"
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Thank you very much. I guess I never had problems because the spring motor on the Victrola broke not long after, and I have yet to find a parts place for Victrola's.
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Does anyone use metal crimps and crimping pliers for this purpose, or are those mainly used on steel lines? I got a bunch of bead chains and crimps at Sutton's years back, and I used them for this on a Victrola, but of course I didn't have to worry about guides on that.
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If you are planning on staying in a motel or hotel, Ithaca might be your best choice, and there is a lot of music and craft brew around there. From thee you have the option of driving over the hill to Seneca (Catherine's Creek), fishing the tribs of Cayuga, or shore fishing from one of the spots. I used to live in Binghamton, and I spent a lot of time fishing at Toughanock as it was on the way back to Rochester, I could easily access the pier to throw spoons or I could fish the short stretch of Toughanock Creek between the lower falls and the Lake. A second choice for places to stay would include Watkins Glen at the south end of Seneca.
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My experience is that every stream is a little different , so just because you have fished in the LE tribs, don't assume that the LO tribs are the same. You can catch LL Salmon, Brown and Rainbows in the Finger Lakes tribs (depending on the lake, a lot of lakes don't get any browns or LL salmon.) but planning around targeting one particlular species is difficult, so it is kind of a grab bag. And if you go on Tuesday after a dry spell, the stream could appear barren, while 1/2" of rain over night could have fish screaming upstream all day Wednesday.
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Looking at the 2018 one year old data, I would be surprised to even see a status quo maintenance plan. I think we'll all see a little pain out of this one, Not that what any of us "vote for" will matter a whole lot in the equation, it will be based on what the technical committee sees as acceptable risks. 2015 and prior are virtually gone, the great 2016 hatch has been heavily preyed down, the small 2017 hatch is virtually gone, and 2018 is an even smaller number of fish, with a low total biomass. The "hole" is not disappearing yet. I think the big limiting factors for natural reproduction on this side of the lake is lack of substrate, and temperatures that impact recruitment of the fish that are spawned.
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When is prime for the run? I was thinking about going in either late October or Early November. - Both can be good, but the run timing is heavily impacted by rain and runoff, and there is no way to tell you when that will happen. -How crowded does it get? After rains and on weekends it can get very crowded, although generally less so than in the spring. -I've researched the major tributaries that fish will run up, but will they run in some of the smaller streams as well? Like I said, I like doing some exploring. - The major issue with this is access. Virtually everything in the FL is posted if it is not public, Regardless of what you know from PA, or are told about New York, you can't just enter a stream at a bridge and stay within the high water marks, if the land adjacent is posted so is the stream. ECO's generally don't even hesitate to write on trespassing charges. Go on the Fishing Page of the DEC Website and look at Public Fishing Rights maps, if it is not on there in the FL, it is likely off limits, the exception being anything flowing through a park or state forest. -I also read that Lake Trout may find their way into the tribs, any truth to this? Also, how is the shore fishing for Lakers around the same time. I've never seen lakers in the tribs but I've seen pix. They are spawning so they may get a little tight lipped. -How are the Brown Trout runs? I would love to hook into some big browns. IF your goal is a BIG brown, listen to Ontherise and hit Western LO tribs, like the Oak or 18 Mile at Newfane. In the FL, you pays yer money and you takes yer chances. -Lastly, how is the shoreline access on Cayuga? -Very limited, Toughanock State Park, the power plant on the east side and the public park near Ludlowville, at least at the deeper south end. The little pier at Toughanock is very popular for spoon chucking as it drops off very quickly..
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The EcoPark in Monroe County will NOT accept flares, but recommends calling the Sheriff or your local police agency. The Police are using flares a lot and maybe can put them to good use.
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1,4, and 5 all involve getting close to shore. I maintain that unless you are almost on top of shore to begin with, you should be able to see a storm coming long before it gets on top of you so that you would be "stuck." Even most of the Fingers with their N/S orientation are large enough to not get surprised. Hemlock and Canadice, not so much. I have run up to full speed with all my lines out, once (admittedly one rigger and a couple of junk lines is a much smaller spread than a LO boat would have out) and then had to replace all the line, to get closer to shore when an overcast with no noise day suddenly started making noise and throwing off sparks. I don't get the anchoring, and that could be problematic if you're doing 150 down over 300'. I don';t think I would anchor and then stand up and shake my fist angrily at the sky! As to reaching shore and tying off and going further inland to get out of the lightning, we were told by the police on 4th Lake that in an emergency, private property rights are trumped by the responsibility to offer assistance and sanctuary to a boat in need. This does not include mother needing to use indoor plumbing, but riding out a t-storm should certainly qualify.
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Boater Safety Course Now Required by Law
Lucky13 replied to FishingFool34's topic in Open Lake Discussion
It would probably at least constitute Assault and Battery. You can't use an old snatch hook on 100 lb test to snag water skiers, or their tow ropes, either! I have seen that rig used to pull in J plugs from boats that trolled down the pier too close, however. -
So those of us who still catch lots of fish, don’t bother with redundant photos or even taking the fish out of the water most of the time, and catch more fish now then we did in the early 70’s, the peak of the acid rain problems and the period before programs like the Land Locked Salmon stocking began, don’t know what we are talking about? Actually the hiking trails up there are more crowded than ever, and I don’t bother with camping if there is no fishing involved, but it is a lot harder to find a tent site for the weekend now than it was in the 70’s. Maybe there are not so many fish under your bridge because you kept so many, and so few bass because they got over-manhandled for photos. So sorry that whatever part of the mountains you fish has declined so much when the rest of us are finding an excellent fishery in one of the most beautiful areas of the NE. And I am amazed at your ability to characterize the fishing in the largest contiguous Park in the USA outside Alaska in a couple of sentences. It took Spyder Rybak a complete book, and it is, to my great relief, very sketchy and leaves out lots of (my favorite) spots! Watch yer head when you crawl back under yer bridge.
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Many of the lakes and ponds that were classed as dead due to atmospheric deposition have come back since the Clean Air Act kicked in. Brook Trout Lake was the poster child for acid rain, and it is supporting a self-sustaining population of Brook Trout, Indian Lake and Falls Pond in the West Canada Lakes Wilderness have fish again, and many of the ponds in the southern Five Ponds Wilderness that had been considered dead have been reported to be growing trout. I've fished up there for better than 50 years, and the last 10 have been fine for fish anywhere I've gone. Of course, I'm more interested in trout and landlocked salmon, and there isn't much fishing in the St Lawrence area except over in the Indian River Lakes for those fish.
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And it likely stayed in the OCEAN for six or seven years, and some of the races, especially Kenai stock, have superior genetics for growth. You may as well lose the Pacific Herring soapbox, because there is a snowball's chance in hell that Ontario and NYS and the Feds are going to allow stocking of another non-native bait species, even if there was somewhere they could raise them. And there isn't. -
I don't get out there, but friends who did say it is a mere shadow of what it was. Generally, if you go, go a lot deeper, and fish something that is attractive to bass but not to gobies.. -
And don't be waiting for the storm to get to you before pulling lines and getting out of there, lightning can strike up to 10 miles away from the storm center. First low rumble in the distance I am out of there ASAP! I was trolling up in the Adirondacks once and noticed the rods start to vibrate, then glow. Saint Elmo's Fire. Thunder was not far behind, but by then I had reeled everything in and was half way back. Lightning is like eye accidents, you don't often get second chances!
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Boater Safety Course Now Required by Law
Lucky13 replied to FishingFool34's topic in Open Lake Discussion
Well said. But isn't this another example of us being dominated by rules? Next you'll have to have your boater's insurance card along with your safety certificate! I'm concerned because I took Hunter Safety a couple of years ago (I thought it would be a good idea before going back into the woods with a firearm after about 40 years of not hunting), and it took me "forever" to find a course that hadn't hit capacity almost as soon as it was announced. I also am not crazy about additional taxes and fees, we are already being taxed to death in the great Emperor's Empire State. Make it free for the course, and free for the certificate, hold the classes in High School gyms, I'm there with a PFD on!!!!
