Lucky13

Many NYS Counties have requirements for renting property, and a special tax collected as well. People that rent their property generally do it as a business, not "for a few days at a time."

I do it using a Lake Clear Wabbler for extra flash up in the Adirondacks for Land Locked Salmon, and used to do it in Hemlock until they stopped stocking them there. Andy Todd from OMNR told me that a lot of Canadians jig for Kings, much the way FL guys go after Lakers. Be careful with the beers, though, the Coast Guard may be watching. The guy who taught me to night fish for rainbows would not allow beer on his boat, said drinkers spent too much time leaning over the side. As Archie Bunker once said, "You can't buy beer, you can only rent it!"

The ONLY fish that are legal to target in the off season, catch and release or not, are black bass in those counties where the C+R season has been established. You see someone using big baits or walleye rigs, get the boat numbers and report them, that will have more effect than just whining on the internet, although I know that in Region 8, the ECO's watch all these social media " hero shout" sites, too. Social Media Post Leads to Tickets - Monroe County On the morning of May 4, ECOs Spencer Noyes and Evan McFee patrolled a section of the Genesee River in Rochester after receiving a tip from a social media post that claimed people had been keeping smallmouth bass in recent days, well before the opening of the season. Images from the post showed individuals posing with numerous bass lined up on the shoreline. The ECOs positioned themselves to watch fishing activity in the river and noticed one individual with a white five-gallon bucket with a large fish tail sticking out. The fisherman made his way back to the parking area with the bucket. ECOs Noyes and McFee approached the man and discovered he had caught and kept both a large bass and a northern pike, both out of season. The fisherman claimed he didn't know the rules and that he had never "caught one so big," with the bass weighing in at just over six pounds and measuring 22 inches in length. The subject said he was going to take his chances breaking the law, as he planned to get the trophy bass mounted. The individual turned out to be one of the fisherman in the internet photos. He was issued two tickets for taking fish out of season, returnable to the City of Rochester Court.

We have these guys who work for ENCON, they are called biologists, and they generally set the seasons, and apparently did not see any harm in C+R for Black Bass in most of the State. When a Regulation gets changed, there is also a public comment period, so I would guess that most of the public that commented favored the C+R rule. So it is not just a question of "get rid of C+R", maybe it is that simple on your side of the pond, but I think that except in the four counties where C+R is not allowed, the "majority" favored the C+R season, a sort of Yankee way to do things, vote and all. Also, the original poster did say " ...a continued problem with anglers coming to the Thousand Islands region before the bass season and taking fish off the beds. I see it every year and they are often out of state boats..", no different than your out of province poachers. But I emphasize that the ECO's are happy to do their part if they are made aware of the problem. As an example, here in Rochester, they recently saw a Facebook post of smallmouths kept in the Genesee River, and made a little trip to the river a day or so later, and caught the poster with a Northern Pike the day before the season opened, and a 6 lb smallmouth that would have been perfectly legal to catch, but was not supposed to be in the guy's bucket. And someone called them to let them know about the original Facebook post. The DEC Website link I put above takes you to a page where you can fill out a report with boat numbers, pictures, all the rest, to assist in "discouraging" this kind of behavior.

And how is all that going to fix the problem here? Sounds like you have the same problem in Ontario, but at least you called your ENCON. We have the same thing in NYS, No fishing for out of season fish, but C+R bass fishing was legalized in many parts of the state. Just not the part where all this is happening. As to the Tournaments, call your regional DEC office and complain, and make sure the tournament organizers even bothered to register with NYSDEC and get permitted for the tournament. I have to wonder about the kayak circuit, they start early, run all summer, and I wonder if NYSDEC even knows they are doing it.

https://www.dec.ny.gov/about/698.html Region 5 roster https://www.dec.ny.gov/about/696.html Region 6 roster IF no one picks up, https://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/67751.html or call Albany: Call the DEC Division of Law Enforcement hotline at 1-844-DEC-ECOS (1-844-332-3267). Never put yourself at risk - gather what information you can without trespassing or exposing yourself to harmful materials or situations.

I know that reading is becoming a lost skill, but please check your regulations guide. While C+R is legal in some counties, this is not the case in the Islands, and part of the 'daks. It is clearly stated: "Fishing for black bass (including catch & release) is prohibited outside of the open season." http://www.eregulations.com/newyork/fishing/st-lawrence-county/ http://www.eregulations.com/newyork/fishing/jefferson-county/ http://www.eregulations.com/newyork/fishing/franklin-county/ http://www.eregulations.com/newyork/fishing/hamilton-county/ Lets see now, that "stand a chance" "logic" can be used to justify salmon snagging and lining, baiting waterfowl, jacking deer, etc, etc, etc...... Another problem I see here is expecting DEC to catch these morons without assistance. The St Lawrence is a big place for a couple of ECO's in a small boat. Drop a dime to the local officer's and there is a better chance of them getting there and catching them. None has mentioned trying that.

It seems to me that most of the research Cobleskill is doing is either creating a "frankenfish" for aquaculture, or fixing problems that were caused by introducing fish that weren't there to begin with. So how are walleye, a warmer water fish, supposed to do in one of the deepest coldest freshwater oligotrophic lakes on the planet? And why aren't they there already, if the habitat is right, they could certainly get there through the canal system? And of course, what will that do to the trout and salmon fishery, the native species of the lake, DEC has reported that they do not see walleye and trout as compatible in other Finger Lakes?

Troy sold it to Leo Maloney at Adirondack Outdoors, Leo sold it back to Troy, they started charging for the magazines, but did not change the format, the website appears to be off line.

Well, VHS is in most of these interconnected bodies of water in western NY at this point. Has anyone notified Region 8?

Sewage contamination is short lived, bacteria in the water break down the organic wastes rapidly, generally using a lot of dissolved oxygen while doing it, which is what often causes a fish kill. But in lakes, mechanical mixing action often mitigates a lot of the oxygen loss, and bullheads are able to survive very low oxygen levels anyway. They are actually more often killed by elevated oxygen levels, such as occasionally occur in the canal. With the major temperature swings we have been seeing lately, it is likely, based on the species mix, that this was a thermal shock incident, especially if it is on the north end and there have been south winds.

True dat, but he also said "a place to stay closer to Krenzer’s marina" and everyone has been talking about t bait shop on the Point. I know that trolling has a sort of hypnotic effect, likely effects reading comprehension, too.....;)

He wasn't looking for bait shop, he was looking for a place to stay. Jes' sayin'

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Paul D'Amato is Director for Region 8, which is where both Seneca and Ontario Counties are located, as are the three counties listed for treatment. Web Pearsall is the Region 8 Fisheries Manager, and he'll be in the field with the crews doing the work. A lot of the tributaries to all the Finger Lakes are short, dropping off the high hills and then a short run to the lake, limited habitat. From the DEC webpage for the lake: An important factor in recent resurgence of the Seneca salmonid fishery is DEC's ongoing control of the parasitic sea lamprey. The control program involves applications of the highly selective chemical lampricide, TFM, to known sea lamprey nursery areas in Catherine Creek and Keuka Lake Outlet at the three year intervals. The continued quality of Seneca's excellent trout and salmon fishing depends heavily on DEC's ability to apply this management tool at critical times in the future.

DEC Announces Sea Lamprey Control Treatments on Seneca Lake to Enhance Lake Trout and Salmon Populations A program to combat the parasitic sea lamprey is scheduled to begin the week of June 4 on Seneca Lake tributaries in Chemung, Schuyler and Yates Counties, Paul D'Amato, Regional Director of the state Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) announced today. By effectively controlling sea lampreys, DEC can reduce mortality rates for fish targeted by sea lamprey, especially lake trout, rainbow trout, brown trout, and landlocked salmon. In addition, fewer sea lampreys mean fewer unsightly scars and wounds on sportfish. Typically, immature sea lamprey live in streams for three to four years before they become parasitic, descending into the lake to prey on other fish, like trout and salmon. Through the sea lamprey control program, DEC will apply a lampricide, called TFM (3-trifluoromethyl-4-nitrophenol) to the streams in a continuous, metered manner over a period of approximately 12 hours to kill the immature, larval form of the sea lamprey. TFM is a selective pesticide used extensively for sea lamprey control in the Great Lakes for decades and in Seneca Lake tributaries since 1982. The dosage levels of TFM that are lethal to larval sea lampreys can be harmlessly processed by most other aquatic organisms. Following an environmental impact statement and public hearing that were conducted prior to initiation of the sea lamprey control program, DEC concluded that the sea lamprey control program "offers an effective and immediate measure for protecting the native lake trout populations in Seneca Lake." DEC further concluded that the project will not have any significant impacts to the environment or non-target organisms exposed to the lampricide. Some minor fish and aquatic invertebrate mortality is expected and may be visible. The stream treatments do not pose any significant hazard to human health. However, as a precautionary measure, the NYS Department of Health (NYSDOH) has advised no stream water consumption, fishing, swimming, livestock watering or irrigation in the treatment zone during and immediately following applications. Appropriate signs will be posted along the treated streams. Since 1982, Catharine Creek and Keuka Outlet have been treated ten and six times, respectively, without any significant environmental or human health problems or impacts. DEC will treat waters inhabited by juvenile sea lampreys in Catharine Creek and tributaries from the Chemung/Schuyler County line to Montour Falls and Keuka Outlet from Cascade Mills downstream. Lampricide applications are scheduled to start June 5 in Catharine Creek and June 7 in Keuka Outlet, however, weather conditions may warrant postponement to later in the week or the following week.

You might want to try the Finger Lakes section of the site, and the Cayuga pages specifically. This time of year, I'd flatline rapalas 100+ feet behind the boat, and run a tandem streamer rig in the propwash, and run fast, as those techniques have worked for me on LL salmon in the Adirondacks. But on the other board, you'll find a lot of guys who know south Cayuga a lot better.