Lucky13

As someone who is potentially affected by the proposed installation in the Central Tug Hill Plateau, also 600 footers with 400 foot blades, and maybe more than 100 of them, I feel everyone's pain about having their own little piece of the picture and the surface disrupted. I recall when the Cohocton area project went in and it was supposed to have a minimal aesthetic impact, and then my surprise when I drove into Naples from the North after it was completed. So I guess I support construction of these facilities for the greater good of all, not just the small group of people who recreate out on the Lake in boats, or those of us who lease land for hunting and fishing in undeveloped lands. But, I want it done equitably, so I think all the subsidies should be ended, so the landowners and developer can't profit twice, once when we give them the money to encourage development, and again when they charge us for the power, and I think all projects should be required to post performance bonds, to ensure that maintenance is done on the projects and IF they should need to be removed, like when the next big inexpensive power source emerges and makes them no longer cost effective, there is money other than from the taxpayers for removal (and certainly, clean up costs from strip mining and fracking and tar sand oil, etc should be included in the costs of that energy, too.) I also question why I am not hearing about big offshore projects except in Lake Ontario, there is a lot of coast line associated with Long Island, and if they are so safe and quiet, why are they not being built in and around the urban centers where most of the power will be consumed? They are unlikely to affect Bald Eagles if they are installed on top of skyscrapers, or out on the footprint of Fresh Kills in Staten Island, lets make sure everyone getting the juice gets some of the pain associated with it as well !

I have no problem with it, notice the emoji's, just took some manure about it on another thread! Any conversation involving Capt. P is always worth reading!

Back to signs of spring (perish the thought that anyone might "hijack a thread" ) there are big lake suckers already up a lot of LO tributaries!! We all know that signals the fat lady singing for winter, and for the spring steelhead run!!

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It is at least an indication that the Board of Control is actively managing the flow, and is not hampered by the " open channel" that would cause St Lawrence River flooding at higher discharge, like last winter. Once the ice is gone they have to cut back, and there is always the wild card of March-April precipitation, and the Ottawa River. I am not surprised to hear that the water is lower now than it was last May, the "flood" in LO did not peak until last May. But if average March-April Precipitation is ~7", as was reported last year, and actual for M-A 2017 was 14", it is unlikely that the same high water situation as 2017 will occur without another record spring. And if they dropped the level another 3 feet, you would likely not be able to launch at many places along the lake because the water would be too low!

http://ijc.org/en_/islrbc/news?news_id=637&myID=1 This is a month old now, but discharge through the St Lawrence remains at a higher level than 2017, as the better ice cover this year allows higher discharge without flooding along the river. "Maximum outflows being released as levels remain high and winter continues 2018/01/31 Several months of maximizing outflows has dropped Lake Ontario at an unprecedented rate and to well below the record peak set at the end of May 2017, yet water levels remain relatively high for this time of year after a cold and wet start to winter. Outflows continue to be maximized in response while making intermittent and temporary reductions to manage challenging ice conditions in several areas of the St. Lawrence River. Following last year’s record-wet spring and despite several months of continuing wet weather thereafter, at the start of January, Lake Ontario’s level had fallen 1.12 m (3.7 ft) below its 2017 peak, the largest drop ever recorded from June through the end of December. Extreme cold and snow near the start of 2018 followed by milder temperatures, heavy rain and snowmelt more recently has Lake Ontario’s level rising once again, reaching a level of 74.91 m (245.77 ft) as of 30 January. This is 31 cm (12 inches) above average, although still 28 cm (11.0 in) lower than the record-high for this time of year set in 1952. Lake levels have been higher at this time of the year sixteen times since 1918 (when reliable records began), most recently in 2012. In response to the high water levels, the Board is still setting outflows from Lake Ontario at the highest rates while managing ice conditions. Recent reductions were required to promote the formation of a solid, stable ice cover in critical sections of the St. Lawrence River, thereafter allowing increased outflow under the ice. Without this stable ice cover, the risk of ice jams is high. These ice jams can clog the river, forcing sudden, significant flow reductions and an increased risk of localized flooding. Outflows are currently 1,730 cubic metres per second above average, 180 cubic metres per second above the previous record-high flow in 1986 and are expected to continue to increase gradually as ice and weather conditions allow. While Lake Ontario remains well above average, historically, winter water levels have not provided an accurate indicator of the peak later in spring. Hydrologic conditions have a much greater influence, and while impossible to predict, it is unlikely that last spring's combination of exceptional rainfall, snowmelt and rapidly rising inflows from Lake Erie will all repeat themselves and lead to extremely high water levels again this year. Nonetheless, extreme conditions may occur in any given year, and when they do, the risk of extreme water levels cannot be substantially reduced through regulation of outflows. As a result, shoreline property owners, businesses, and local government officials are advised to always be prepared for the full range of water levels that could occur on Lake Ontario, both highs and lows, now and in the future. The Board, in conjunction with its staff, continues to monitor and reassess conditions on an ongoing basis. Information on hydrologic conditions, water levels and outflows, including graphics and photos, are available on the Board’s website and posted to the Board’s Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/InternationalLakeOntarioStLawrenceRiverBoard (English), including this video, which explains why the management of ice conditions on the river is so critical. "

As is sticking your fingers up inside the gill plates. Looking at the pix, I just assumed they were all going in the box.

How will Lake levels in Superior affect Lake Ontario Fisheries? And "discuss" would imply that both sides of the issue would get a hearing, I don't see that happening in virtually any of the lake level meetings of the recent past. I would personally prefer that the meeting stay on topic, unless there is some clear relationship between lake level and the status of the fish.

I remember fishing the north end when they were all that size! NICE!!