bluegiller

I run it in every tank of my boat and it's an older motor with tons of hours, as soon as I started running that it ran better. Now I dump it in my cars, truck , lawn mower, anything that takes gas. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Rich I was not saying it's right I was saying that's how the state looks at it. And am not sure the mass numbers would be there if it was than great. And I agree it is sickening to watch how crappy these fish are treated that time of year. And just like you I have stopped stream fishing bc of that and the numbers of fisherman making it hard to enjoy it. And you 3 might be perfectly right if the DEC put it's foot down like Alaska and cleaned it up we might see a much nicer stream fishery , but I know that the DEC loves the money it brings in and until some one proves to them if they clean it up the money will still show up it wont happen.. and I agree the good business would remain and do well and the crap ones that only promote poor fishing styles would either change or go away unmissed. I am on the same side as you guys just pointing out how I feel the state looks at it. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

King Davy and lucky both great points . But the pure numbers of fisherman buying NYS fishing license would go down and the state looks at that number first. Again is that right or wrong? I agree we chase away quality fisherman with the way it is now...in fact I am one. I stopped stream fishing bc of the number of people. I never fished for kings in the upper rivers but I used to brown trout and steelhead fish more days than not from late November until spring I have not been now I'm about 12 years . But could the state make up those dollars from Mass license sales with the higher dollar fisherman? I don't know. Like Rich said we can't play the stream fisherman against the lake ones we all fish for the same fish and our money spent doing all go to the same place and all help stock fish.. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I was in the fishing tackle industry for years and sold to that stores in the salmon River area. It's a shame the fishery has to be that way there but one thing we have to look at is it's a huge amount of money put back in this fishery. Now I am not saying it makes it right to snag or promote unethical fishing practices but you can't chase all those people away and expect that money to still be there for stocking and promotion of the sport. Not everyone can afford to take a charter, or buy a boat and talked it takes to catch them in the lake. So how can you fix it easy? I don't think you can. Only way I see is education but truly I have fished for the river salmon and they are hard to catch, most people don't want to spend the time it would take to catch them. Does that make it ok to be unethical? Nope but it's the facts. The state needs that money raised by that fishery.. how do we fix it ? Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I was in the fishing tackle industry for years and sold to that stores in the salmon River area. It's a shame the fishery has to be that way there but one thing we have to look at is it's a huge amount of money put back in this fishery. Now I am not saying it makes it right to snag or promote unethical fishing practices but you can't chase all those people away and expect that money to still be there for stocking and promotion of the sport. Not everyone can afford to take a charter, or buy a boat and talked it takes to catch them in the lake. So how can you fix it easy? I don't think you can. Only way I see is education but truly I have fished for the river salmon and they are hard to catch, most people don't want to spend the time it would take to catch them. Does that make it ok to be unethical? Nope but it's the facts. The state needs that money raised by that fishery.. how do we fix it ? Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I am not saying fishing pressure be it boat , or tribs don't have some thing to do with numbers but size it sure does not And I realize if you catch 10 fish your chances of a really big one is smaller than if you catch 100, but if the only problem is fishing pressure explain the salmon size decreasing on average. It used to be by this time of the year most salmon were over 20lbs and probably half the matures were almost 25 and a lot in the high 20's now your lucky if you catch a mature all year over 25. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

I have been fishing lake Ontario since the late 70's and it has changed huge since then. If you don't think it's a forage problem and want to blame trib fishing think of this. I think Yankee troller is right on. And here is more to add to it. It's had now to tell 2 year old and 3 year old salmon apart anymore. And for sure mature salmon are smaller on average then in the hay days of the 80's. And the steelhead are for sure smaller on average, the numbers are down and I am sure that has to die off. But look at the small mouth bass, the browns, the lake trout. Those all have seen increased sizes. I know the zebra muscles changed this lake huge. If you look at the fish that are bigger they tend to feed more near bottom or on gobies. I am not very smart but I can tell you I know it takes food to make fish grow. It seems there is a lot of bait now , but there is some reason the fish are not growing as big. Maybe they have to hunt harder for it bc the water is clearer? It could make them have to spend more energy to catch it. Just all this seems to go back to major over all changes in the water in lake Ontario. Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Another thing I have had happen and had it happen a few times with one spin doctor is the ball bearing swivel that comes on them can sometimes get tangled. It's not even really tangled but the ball bearing part gets caught down on the side of the loop it's hooked to the snap on. And it makes it pull ball bearing up against the snap at a funny angle and it can't spin free. I think what happens is when you toss it in and there's slack it can get cocked like that and some snaps are worse. I had on that did it a few times I tossed that swivel and just started swapped on from another one ant it stopped. Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app

Since we are on that why the flip do cars have to park in the trailer spots I feel like blocking them in and leaving my truck and trailer for a week. This am you had that camper jerk and a car. There was 10 open car spots and he takes a trailer spot. Also one last ****. If ita dark and your at any launch once you back in turn you head lights off!!! I hate backing up with nothing but glowing headlights in my mirrors Sent from my XT1585 using Lake Ontario United mobile app