Well, looks like we may have found the place. Lewis point area on Oneida. I'll have dock space, the kids have a beach and plenty of room to romp around. Thanks for the suggestions !!! Btw. I'll prob start a new thread but anyone care to give up the eye program ?? Don't worry, I'll be there for a week and will not become a regular there ! Secrets are safe-ish with me ! Prob gonna target some eater eyes and perch also possibly do some Smalley/ bucket mouth action.