Tiger Trout

[GAMBLER]

Seeing that Captain Matt French of Class A Sportfishing caught one out of Rochester last weekend, it got me thinking.  Why doesn't the DEC start stocking them in Lake Ontario?  Promote them as a trophy fishery on Lake Ontario and its tributaries! 

[Pete Collin]

I caught a big TT in the Genesee river this spring near Wellsville.  There have been documented cases of fish that made it all the way from the southern tier to Lake Ontario.  I think the TT were put in there before the big derby they have every spring in Wellsville.  They are raised by private trout farms.

[GAMBLER]

12 minutes ago, Pete Collin said:

I caught a big TT in the Genesee river this spring near Wellsville.  There have been documented cases of fish that made it all the way from the southern tier to Lake Ontario.  I think the TT were put in there before the big derby they have every spring in Wellsville.  They are raised by private trout farms.

I guess they raise them at the Rome hatchery.  A lot of the browns for Lake Ontario come from the Rome Hatchery.  I think it would be a really cool addition to the fishery.  

[Missdemeanor]

[spoonfed-1]

2 hours ago, GAMBLER said:

I guess they raise them at the Rome hatchery.  A lot of the browns for Lake Ontario come from the Rome Hatchery.  I think it would be a really cool addition to the fishery.  

Probably because they can't reproduce and it would be a waste of effort and money.

[GAMBLER]

11 minutes ago, spoonfed-1 said:

Probably because they can't reproduce and it would be a waste of effort and money.

Are browns naturally reproducing in the lake?  Lakers are around 1%.  What is the coho natural reproduction rate?  Steelhead? Atlantic salmon?  It's not about reproducing; it's about providing a sportfishery.  

[Jm1984]

The reason is likely the extra work it takes due to the different number of chromosomes for each species.  To have decent hatchery success they have to heat shock the eggs to create and extra set of chromosomes to boost survival.

 

 

[HB2]

Kind of looks like a laker to me 

[JakeyBaby]

I would have thought the same thing,  cool fish and would have just benn thrown back not knowing what it really was. Cool fish Matt!

[Yankee Troller]

Go away with that nonsense. If you really want a fish to promote go with a hybrid Chin-Ho. Some of the largest Salmon that get caught each year are these hybrids.

[ifishy]

if we really want to get crazy with the genetic manipulation lets go triploids for chinook just a handful to create the opportunity for true monsters   Realistically I don't think they should be looking to introduce anything that new.  its a struggle as it is to keep a handle on the overall predator prey ratio and we are still very much in the guessing stages about interpreting the data to maintain it so to throw in a new variable that would be completely unknown on the lake is just asking for problems

[Jm1984]

I agree with chin-ho, that would be a great addition to the fishery.

[GAMBLER]

37 minutes ago, Jm1984 said:

I agree with chin-ho, that would be a great addition to the fishery.

It’s already naturally occurring.  

[dry net]

8 hours ago, Yankee Troller said:

Go away with that nonsense. If you really want a fish to promote go with a hybrid Chin-Ho. Some of the largest Salmon that get caught each year are these hybrids.

Someone post a pic

[Jm1984]

Not to any significant degree.  It happens like any hybrids in nature to a very small percentage.  It would be a great addition given the typically hyper aggressive nature of hybrids and accelerated growth.

[spoonfed-1]

 Something unusual going on with my computer. Sorry

Edited August 25 by spoonfed-1

[spoonfed-1]

On 8/22/2024 at 9:50 PM, GAMBLER said:

Are browns naturally reproducing in the lake?  Lakers are around 1%.  What is the coho natural reproduction rate?  Steelhead? Atlantic salmon?  It's not about reproducing; it's about providing a sportfishery.  

 

On 8/22/2024 at 11:01 PM, Jm1984 said:

The reason is likely the extra work it takes due to the different number of chromosomes for each species.  To have decent hatchery success they have to heat shock the eggs to create and extra set of chromosomes to boost survival.

 

 

Combined with the numbers they would need to create a fishery in the Lake.

Edited August 25 by spoonfed-1

[spoonfed-1]

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Edited August 25 by spoonfed-1

[HB2]

Kind of looks like a laker to me . 

 

Why upset the applecart at this point? We have a great fishery with what we have now . 

[Lucky13]

What would be the point of attempting to establish tiger trout?  What "empty niche" in the fishery would they fill.  Does a brook trout-brown trout hybrid offer anything extra not provided by the mix of exotics out there now?  If it is just a different color for the wall, why not brook trout, and WV golden rainbow (palominos), too?  C'mon guys, first it's "we want a full box" now it's "We wanta full box and all different colors, and lots of big ones, too." 

[GAMBLER]

22 hours ago, Lucky13 said:

What would be the point of attempting to establish tiger trout?  What "empty niche" in the fishery would they fill.  Does a brook trout-brown trout hybrid offer anything extra not provided by the mix of exotics out there now?  If it is just a different color for the wall, why not brook trout, and WV golden rainbow (palominos), too?  C'mon guys, first it's "we want a full box" now it's "We wanta full box and all different colors, and lots of big ones, too." 

Apparently reading isn’t a strong point.  Make it a trophy fishery.  There isn’t a tiger trout fishery with the potential that Lake Ontario would be.  Drawn anglers to Lake Ontario for a unique experience.  It would benefit both Lake and trib fisheries.   Why not create a small fishery?  We waste tons of money on poor surviving Atlantic salmon year after year……

Edited September 13 by GAMBLER

[Gill-T]

This fish lasted on the board for 1/2 day lol. Note red belly. I was seeing evidence of Browns shoal spawning off the Niagara this fall. I do catch them as high up as whirlpool but I think from the drift off the fort boat launch to the drop off, there is natural reproduction happening. 

[spoonfed-1]

10 hours ago, Gill-T said:

This fish lasted on the board for 1/2 day lol. Note red belly. I was seeing evidence of Browns shoal spawning off the Niagara this fall. I do catch them as high up as whirlpool but I think from the drift off the fort boat launch to the drop off, there is natural reproduction happening. 

Gambler is right as far as the natural reproduction of Browns. They'll spawn when the time comes but there is no significant amount of natural reproduction in the lake. Where he's wrong is the Landlocked Atlantic salmon reproduction goes. NY gets federal money here because the LL'S are a native species, just like the Lakers are. The reproduction rate is low but it's free federal money for the state. Tiger Trout stocking in the lake would be entirely on the state. Ain't going to happen and it shouldn't

Edited September 14 by spoonfed-1