Wind Turbines on Lake Ontario!

[skipper19]

How wind farm promoters see their progress

[fish or swim]

I haven't read through all of the posts, maybe this has already been covered.

The Great Lakes Fishery Commission has a strong position against windmills being put on the Great Lakes.

http://www.glfc.org/staff/resol2010_2.pdf

http://www.glfc.org/aboutus/brief.php#mission

Whereas the U.S. and Canadian federal, provincial, and state agencies, energy companies, and other businesses are becoming increasingly interested in developing Great Lakes nearshore and offshore wind energy projects, and

Whereas the science of assessing impacts of in-lake structures such as wind turbines requires a combination of predictive methods and reversible pilot projects, and

Whereas the Council of Lake Committees has articulated a serious concern with “virtually no information documenting the short-term and long-term impacts to freshwater ecosystems from wind power developmentâ€, and makes specific recommendations to protect the Great Lakes fisheries if wind power development occurs in the Great Lakes.

Therefore be it resolved, as a result of the lack of documentation regarding the impacts to the Great Lakes, the advisors of the Great Lakes Fishery Commission demand a full and adequate environmental assessment on a wind turbine pilot project before the placement of any commercial wind turbines in the lakes, and

Therefore be it further resolved that the advisors of the Great Lakes Fishery Commission demand a full and adequate environmental assessment (that includes but is not limited to, the impact on fish populations, fish habitat, the Great Lakes fisheries, fishing access, and fishing experience) and environmental review with full public engagement in the consideration of each wind development proposal within the Great Lakes, and

[mostlymuskies]

A few weeks ago I flew into Dallas ,Texas and drove west on I-20 toward Odessa, Texas.Every where that there was any rise in the ground were wind turbines.I bet I passed over 5000 of them,the wind was blowing hard,only 50% of those wind turbines were turning.While in Odessa I asked a local oil worker about all those wind turbines and why most of them were not working.His answer was oil wells in different fields are on timers to pump,so if there is no electric needed to get the pump started the wind turbines do not need to operate either.He went on to say that the power output was so unreliable with only 29% performance out of 100% possible output that instead of making power for the power grid system a lot of the wind turbines were now being used to take place of power needed to kick start oil pumps in oil fields.They went green to help out big oil!

Capt. Larry

[Capt Vince Pierleoni]

Recently, a meeting was held with representatives from all over NY and several from Canada. We have formed an organization specifically interested in preventing the travesty of building windmill fields in the Great Lakes. We need everyone to rally behind this. It is FREE to become a member/supporter. Send emails to [email protected] with your name and address. Also go to Great Lakes Wind Truth on facebook and become a friend/fan.

Thank You,

Vince

[Misty IV]

Recently, a meeting was held with representatives from all over NY and several from Canada. We have formed an organization specifically interested in preventing the travesty of building windmill fields in the Great Lakes. We need everyone to rally behind this. It is FREE to become a member/supporter. Send emails to [email protected] with your name and address. Also go to Great Lakes Wind Truth on facebook and become a friend/fan.

Thank You,

Vince

That is GREAT news! I sent an email to my neighbor at the lakehouse, who also happens to be our beach association President and has many contacts within Oswego County. He'll be on top of this so fast it'll make our heads spin. I also joined the Facebook page and sent invites out to a number of people to join, as well. We definitely need to get the word out. It's over the slow, winter months that these politicians and windpower people will try any type of backdoor tactics to sneak something by all of us.

[LongLine]

Here's some good news from the Monroe County Legislature. All the Repulicans are against offshore windmills. (The majority of the legislature)

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/art ... 003/news01

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[Misty IV]

Here's some good news from the Monroe County Legislature. All the Repulicans are against offshore windmills. (The majority of the legislature)

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/art ... 003/news01

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Excellent news!!

[Capt Vince Pierleoni]

We cannot let up. Some slight progress in Ontario province, but here, it appears deals are in the works. Join the facebook page "Great Lakes Wind Truth", and ask everyone who cares to do so to. Contact all your representatives. I'm convinced once the first project starts it will open the flood gates. One NYPA representative was quoted as saying they are looking forward to seeing a "Steel Forest" in Lake Ontario.

[Misty IV]

We had a customer come into our shop today who operates a van used as an escort vehicle on the highway for the wide-load trucks. On her rear windows was a mural of (2) windmills with the slogan "The Answer is in the Wind". I wanted to do some serious damage to the windows!!!

Oh, I didn't, by the way.......

[Tim Bromund]

This is Lake Erie, but the nyet's keep piling up, good to see.

http://www.windsorstar.com/technology/t ... story.html

Tim

[LongLine]

Maybe they saw this Tim. It’s the current output from the ieso conglomerate of windfarms in southern Ontario, Canada for 1-2PM on 1-29-11. (Over 1,100 MW installed capacity – roughly 800 turbines)

You got to be freeking kidding me – 34 MW?

This is what is reported as market data.

http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/marketdata/windpower.asp

If you click below the red arrow that I’ve drawn (“wind farm outputâ€), it’ll give you an excel sheet showing the hourly output history since they went on line. – really sad that they paid all that money for so little electricity.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[fish or swim]

Maybe they saw this Tim. It’s the current output from the ieso conglomerate of windfarms in southern Ontario, Canada for 1-2PM on 1-29-11. (Over 1,100 MW installed capacity – roughly 800 turbines)

You got to be freeking kidding me – 34 MW?

It's really kicking in now though. Wind is providing a whopping 0.14% of Ontario's power needs.

[Misty IV]

That's amazing! All this hype about how much energy pinwheels will provide to the world...and it ends up they do more good as a decorative ornament for places that want them. 0.14% - WOW!!! I hope 9-Mile (Fitzpatrick) Nuclear Plant is still pursuing the idea of adding another cooling tower. From that chart, nuclear is the way to go. I've been going to Lake Ontario for 40+ years now, and as far as I can remember, there has never been a major failure with the Fitz plant.

[LongLine]

Thank you Niagara County:

Niagara County Legislature says NO.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communi ... 330594.ece

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[fish or swim]

In last official act, Gov. Ted Strickland eases way for Lake Erie wind turbines

"Ohio is giving a green light to the proposal to put wind turbines in Lake Erie."

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index ... n_lea.html

You know that once the first one goes up it won't be long before all the Lakes are covered with them.

[LongLine]

Province of Ontario says NO offshore windfarms in Lake Ontario!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://blogs.democratandchronicle.com/5 ... #more-1572

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[LongLine]

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2 ... 42051.html

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[fish or swim]

Guys I hate to spoil the party and I wish it were true as much as anyone. Unfortunately it is not.

The Ontario thing is just a bunch of dirt bag politicians shooting their mouths off before an election coming up this fall. As soon as the election is over, if those politicians are voted back in, they will be trying to put windmills in the Lakes.

[LongLine]

F or S

The Canadians had 1500+ Feed-in Applications. Of the 1300 accepted only one was for off-shore. What this does is stops all, as you say, until after the Oct/Nov elections. It shows that the liberals are indeed aware & fearful that off-shore freshwater is a politically hot item. The conservatives have been against them. It further kicks existing off-shore investors in the teeth that are going to see no payback on what they’ve already invested for an additional 8-9 months, (minimum) which is going to P them off and make money people much harder to attract.

Additionally, this is going to make developers & promoters take a serious look at the freshwater ecosystem and overall affects. In the past, they put the onus on opponents to provide studies showing the detriment turbines would cause. Proponents have previously just drawn quasi-analogies to saltwater. It’s now on the other foot. Developers will have to do scientific studies BEFORE proceeding. (Aquatic wildlife, bathymetry, Hydraulogy, AofC's, recreation value, property value, endangered species, etc which are different than in the saltwater neighborhood) This will add a lot of cost & time to the off-shore projects, which again will stumble many investors.

Hopefully, this ban that was announced, (overshadowed by the Egyptian headlines) coupled with the fact that the majority of US border counties have said NO, will show NYS, the USACE, the US Dept of Interior and Obama Administration just how foolhardy the industrialization of our National treasure with turbines would be. (politically, economically & socially)

This is a major stepping stone but you are correct in that we cannot assume this is the end. We'll have to keep reminding them.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[fish or swim]

Tom, Longline, Your response was very impressive and you nailed it. In the short term it provides some difficulties for the developers. Next year if the conservatives are in power - no turbines. If the liberals - they will be back at it. They will twist around any data to force the development forward. Maybe this won't happen, we will hope it doesn't. But we have to keep after any area that wishes to place these things in the Lakes. Governments are very fickle and can change their minds in hurry, Ontario example. Ohio wants to start a pilot project in Lake Erie. But it is the Governor's pet project and he is on his way out so hopefully those plans will fall apart.

I plan on attacking any of these projects until they can prove that they are 100% a good thing. I doubt that will ever happen but maybe someone will invent an invisable turbine that produces free power.

Edit: I just don't trust any govn't. They will smile and tell me everything is wonderful one minute then as soon as I turn around I get it in the back side, a knife or otherwise. I don't think this is a time to relax. If anything I think it is a time to step up the fight. This gives us a good opportunity to do that.

[fish or swim]

Some more good news

Holland slashes carbon targets, shuns wind for nuclear

Why the change? Wind and solar subsidies are too expensive

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/10 ... gy_switch/

Global Panic as Green Sector Collapses and Investors Face Ruin

Governments, investors and even the World Bank are rushing for the exits in the Great Escape from the green energy bubble.

http://johnosullivan.livejournal.com/30603.html

[fish or swim]

And today's news just came in email.

Duguid (Ontario) expects it’ll take about two years to gather enough science on offshore wind to lift the moratorium.

Conservative energy critic John Yakabuski said claims of science behind the sudden reversal are fiction.

"Look, it's politics. If they think it's going to move the voters in their direction, they'll do it," he said.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2011 ... 41981.html

[chinook35]

I just ran accross a similar article in The Kingston , Ont. newspaper . I hope our lawmakers take note . http://thewhig.com/articledisplay.aspx?e=2974948

[Tim Bromund]

Saw this youtube video posted over on GLA and figured I'd copy it here.

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Those are the pinwheels mounted on the beach on the old Bethlehem Steel Site in Buffalo/Lackawanna.

They cannot keep em running on land, what are they gonna do in the middle of winter when they blow up a gearbox out in the middle of the ice field?

'nuff said!!!

Tim

[LongLine]

Let's see: 8 turbines rated at 1.25 MW each (but only generate 30% of rated wattage) and only 3/8 of them operating....hmmm...that's roughly 1.1 MW or only 10% of what the propaganda claimed.

sad......that anyone bought into that wind energy scam.

Tom B.

(LongLine)