Wind Turbines on Lake Ontario!

[Misty IV]

Just thought I'd throw this out there. My contact in Oswego mentioned to me that there has been little to no discussion about the pinwheels in the lake recently. While many of us may see this as a positive thing, we still need to be alert and watch the news. I've lost track how many times over the years the local government in Richland has told the public they have no intentions of doing "ABC123", but when I drive to the lake in the spring to open the house, "ABC123" happened. So many times, they take advantage of the area being vacant during the winter months to do things behind the public's back. Not saying that they will try to slip anything past us behind closed doors, but best to remain alert and keep an eye on things.

[fish or swim]

Eastern Ont. offshore wind farm signs turbine deal

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/ ... ntoNewHome

BURLINGTON, Ont. — Windstream Wolfe Island Shoals has signed a deal with Siemens Canada to supply up to 130 turbines for a 300-megawatt offshore wind power project on Lake Ontario.

Bill Smith of Siemens Canada said the company is looking forward to contributing to the development of Canada's "first offshore wind project."

Kingston City council supports wind project

http://www.thewhig.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3415839

City council's support for a consortium that wants to build and install 100 wind turbines in the Wolfe Island shoals is not going over well with some island residents.

At its Tuesday meeting, council voted to endorse the new consortium, which includes the City of Hamilton and Burlington-based Windstream Energy Inc. In 2010, Windstream received a Feed-In Tariff contract from the Ontario Power Authority to build a 300-megawatt project on the shoals. It was the first offshore project in the province to get a contract.

Just to be clear this is not a done deal yet.

[rolmops]

Wolfe Island itself is stacked with windmills already, There probably is no room left on the island.

[LongLine]

They're talking IN the water not on the island.

http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CT ... b=CP24Home

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[muskybob]

They're talking IN the water not on the island.

http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CT ... b=CP24Home

Tom B.

(LongLine)

They gotta be nuts for allowing that.

[jimski2]

http://www.workboat.com/Blogs/Washingto ... -politics/

Here is the latest info on the Federal tax credits ending this scam.

[Misty IV]

Received this information this morning:

***********************************************************

http://thedailynewsonline.com/news/article_5127cf74-4322-11e1-93b3-0019bb2963f4.html

[fish or swim]

Thanks to all who fought this issue. We can cross our fingers that the wind turbine issue in the Great Lakes will soon be permenently dead considering the recent news!

U.S. wind-farm boom set to bust in 2013 as Obama tax breaks end

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-2 ... s-end.html

The companies below are the world's largest wind turbine companies. They have all recently restructured and reorganized to prepare for bankruptcy.

http://www.thegwpf.org/international-ne ... in-us.html< br />

“Vestas Wind Systems A/S, the world’s biggest wind turbine maker, said it will halt production at one factory and cut 2,335 jobs amounting to 10 percent of its staff as it tries to become more competitive with Chinese suppliers.

The changes are aimed at saving more than 150 million euros ($191 million) by the end of 2012, the company based in Aarhus, Denmark, said in a statement today. Vestas said another 1,600 posts in the U.S. are at risk as a tax credit supporting the industry expires at year-end.

Vestas slashed 3,000 jobs in October 2010, and 1,900 in April 2009.â€

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/12/2 ... B520111222

HONG KONG, Dec 22 (Reuters) – Huge overcapacity and weak demand mean Chinese wind turbine makers, among the world’s largest, are set for lower revenue and profits for at least the next two years.

Earnings at several firms nearly halved in the first half of this year.

“The worst isn’t over for these guys,†said Min Li, head of alternative energy at Yuanta Securities. “Massive oversupply and a slowdown in wind turbine orders will keep margins depressed for a couple more years.â€

[rolmops]

Now this:

http://www.earthtechling.com/2012/01/un ... -scotland/

[muskybob]

Now this:

http://www.earthtechling.com/2012/01/un ... -scotland/

Gimme a break. What's next, mini turbines on flush toilets?

[rolmops]

Now this:

http://www.earthtechling.com/2012/01/un ... -scotland/

Gimme a break. What's next, mini turbines on flush toilets?

Ray would love that. With all the maintenance, he would be as happy as a plumber can be.

[LongLine]

Imagine getting your line caught on one of those blades? If it catches your rigg'r cable, your whole boat will go under.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[muskybob]

Great article and video! The last paragraph is especially interesting.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/ ... velopment/

[fish or swim]

In case anyone didn't have a look at the link http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/08/ ... velopment/

this is another version of the story

American Bird Conservancy Response to Speaker Gingrich's Statement on Energy Industry Killing of Migratory Birds

http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/ ... 20223.html

"For example, since the early 1980s, the wind turbines at Altamont Pass are estimated to have killed 2,000 or more Golden Eagles -- one of our most iconic birds. And yet not a single wind company has been prosecuted for MBTA violations."

Oil Companies Prosecuted for Avian Deaths but Wind Companies Kill Birds With Impunity

http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/ ... 10907.html

"(September 7, 2011) The United States Attorney in North Dakota has charged seven oil companies in seven separate cases with violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act for the illegal killing of 28 migratory birds. Yet, American Bird Conservancy – the nation’s leading bird conservation organization – reports that the wind industry, despite killing more than 400,000 birds annually, has yet to face a single charge."

ABC uses Fish and Wildlife Service numbers which are extremely conservative

[Misty IV]

Taken from the Jefferson's Leaning Left blog earlier today:

http://www.jeffersonleaningleft.blogspot.com/2012/03/industrial-wind-welfare-fails-for-now.html

Upsetting that the New York State senators voted in favor of this, however....

[Tim Bromund]

Taken from the Jefferson's Leaning Left blog earlier today:

http://www.jeffersonleaningleft.blogspot.com/2012/03/industrial-wind-welfare-fails-for-now.html

Upsetting that the New York State senators voted in favor of this, however....

Upsetting to be sure, but not at all surprising that Chuckie "the snake" Schumer and his little lapdog Kirstin voted in favor of this nonsense.

Tim

[Misty IV]

Recieved this link last night about recent wind turbine failures on Lake Erie...

http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012303309898

[Misty IV]

More bad news released yesterday:

***********************************************************************

Updated March 30, 2012, 3:07 a.m. ET

Feds, 5 states to push for Great Lakes wind farms

Associated Press

TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. — The Obama administration and five states have reached an agreement to speed up approval of offshore wind farms in the Great Lakes, which have been delayed by cost concerns and public opposition.

Under the deal, which administration officials disclosed to The Associated Press ahead of an announcement scheduled for Friday, state and federal agencies will craft a blueprint for speeding regulatory review of proposed wind farms without sacrificing environmental and safety standards. The Great Lakes have no offshore wind turbines, although a Cleveland partnership announced plans last year for a demonstration project that would place five to seven turbines in Lake Erie about 7 miles north of the city, generating 20-30 megawatts of electricity.

Offshore wind projects have been proposed elsewhere in the region, including Michigan and New York, stirring fierce debate.

Critics say they would ruin spectacular vistas, lower shoreline property values and harm birds and fish. New York Power Authority trustees last September abandoned a plan for private companies to place up to 200 turbines, each about 450 feet high, in Lakes Erie and Ontario. The Canadian province of Ontario in February 2011 ordered a moratorium on wind energy development in its Great Lakes waters to allow more study of environmental issues.

Supporters describe the lakes' winds as a vast, untapped source of clean energy and economic growth.

"This agreement among federal agencies and Great Lakes states is a smart, practical way to encourage the development of homegrown energy that will create jobs, power homes and reduce pollution in American communities," said Nancy Sutley, chairwoman of the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

Administration officials said the region's offshore winds could generate more than 700 gigawatts — one-fifth of all potential wind energy nationwide. Each gigawatt of offshore wind could power 300,000 homes while reducing demand for electricity from coal, which emits greenhouse gases and other pollutants, according to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo.

Public resistance and logistical problems would pose formidable obstacles to approaching those levels. Yet harnessing only a small portion of the Great Lakes' offshore wind could generate thousands of jobs, officials said.

Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, New York and Pennsylvania signed the agreement. The other three states with Great Lakes coastlines — Indiana, Ohio and Wisconsin — declined invitations but could join the partnership later, an administration official said.

The agreement is modeled after another between the federal government and Eastern states designed to support wind energy production in the Atlantic and encourage investment in new offshore wind technology.

"This agreement will enable states to work together to ensure that any proposed offshore wind projects are reviewed in a consistent manner, and that the various state and federal agencies involved collaborate and coordinate their reviews," Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett said.

Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn said developing offshore wind energy would "promote economic development and create jobs, while reducing our dependence on foreign energy sources."

Among 10 federal agencies taking part are the Pentagon, the Department of Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, NOAA and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Developers would need state and federal approval to establish offshore wind farms. State governments own the Great Lakes bottomlands within U.S. territory, while a permit from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers would be required to erect the turbines and all 10 federal agencies would review the plans.

[fish or swim]

Thanks for keeping an eye on this.

"The Obama administration and five states have reached an agreement to speed up approval..."

Election year rhetoric.

http://www.chieftain.com/news/region/wi ... f887a.html

“The outcome was expected, but it marks the fourth time this year that wind-power supporters failed to get the tax credit passed in the Senate.â€

No corporate welfare handouts – no wind turbines

[Misty IV]

Saw this and, although they're not focusing on water-based turbines, it still emphasizes the impact of wind turbines on the environment. All of us along the lakeshore, residential and business alike, will suffer...marinas, tackle shops, etc.

**************************************************************************************

Property value losses near wind turbines greater than previously thought, appraisers say

Credit: By Billie Jo Jannen, For East County Magazine, eastcountymagazine.org 30 March 2012 ~~

A real estate appraisal expert who has made a specialty of assessing impacts from nearby wind turbines has announced that he is revising his figures in response to a recent study of over 11,300 transactions near northern New York state turbine arrays.

Mike McCann of McCann Appraisal, LLC spoke at a Boulevard wind energy information meeting last winter and said property owners experience an average 25 percent value loss. At the time, he expected properties up to two miles away to experience value changes in response to turbine construction.

“I wish to refine my distance of forecast adverse value impacts to include at least three miles, should any 3 MW turbines be proposed by any of the developers in East County,†McCann said. “Furthermore, property value guarantees should extend to this greater range to reflect the nuisance and stigma effect of more powerful turbines on marketing of homes.â€

The current study, released in July of 2011 by the Economic Financial Studies School of Business at Clarkson University, cites losses of up to 45 percent on properties located within 0.10 miles of new wind turbine facilities. This has prompted him to revise his loss figure upward to a maximum of 40 percent and expected adverse impacts out to three miles, with effects becoming less extreme with distance.

“The Clarkson study clearly shows value impacts out to three miles … and clearly shows the closer the turbine, the greater the impact,†McCann said.

A Department of Energy-funded study originally released in 2009 by Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, often cited by wind proponents, says property value impacts are negligible and that effect of what is known as “wind farm anticipation stigma†goes away after the turbines are built. The Berkeley results are divided into sale values for pre-announcement, post-announcement and post-construction time periods. The study may be flawed, however, as it leaves out some of the very properties that might provide the most telling results, McCann said.

In the study footnotes, Berkeley authors specified that land without homes, properties of over 25 acres, homes where the sale price was thought to deviate too far from the norm and 34 repeat sales were excluded from the study.

A co-author of the study, SDSU Economic Department Chairman Mark Thayer, defended the exclusions as appropriate from a statistical standpoint and said he feels the Clarkson study supports the Berkeley conclusion that negative value impacts go away after the projects are built.

The Clarkson study is based mainly on pre-construction figures, Thayer said: “There is no impact. Property values do not go down near turbines.â€

However, real estate appraisers, which are closely regulated by the federal government, base their calculations on “comps,†or nearby sales of comparative properties. A licensed appraiser would not have the luxury of leaving out the properties omitted by Berkeley, McCann said, so the older study does not offer a realistic assessment of the value loss that would be suffered by neighbors of turbine arrays. Statistically appropriate or not, those sales would not be excluded from an appraisal.

“The fallacy of the Berkeley study is the assumption that value impacts must somehow be statistically significant against a data background of sales located 5 to 10 miles from turbines,†McCann said. “Had they focused on the 1/10th-mile to 3-mile range, I expect their findings would be significant to the homeowners who are losing 15 to 40 percent of their home equity and value.â€

Neither of the studies consider time-on-market, McCann said, adding, “And what about the homes that don’t sell at all?†The latter do not show up on studies because there are no transaction records for them.

The size of the turbines being built is also a factor in McCann’s announcement, as almost all the data available is on older installations that contain smaller turbines. Increasingly, 3-megawatt machines are appearing on the landscape with concomitant increases in visibility and sound pressure. Sound is a “disamenity†often mentioned by wind farm neighbors, some of whom have abandoned their homes altogether because of the constant noise.

McCann is a proponent for property value guarantees in communities that are heavily impacted by wind turbine projects. Both the Boulevard and Jacumba planning groups have asked for property value guarantees as a condition for permitting large projects, as well as evidence-supported setbacks and protections in the noise ordinance to include low frequency and sub-audible effects. Both wind developers and the county have, so far, resisted addressing either.

Among the numerous energy projects proposed for the Boulevard area is Tule Wind, a 137-turbine project slated to be built along McCain Valley Road by Iberdrola Renewables. The turbines will range in size from 2MW to 2.5MW.

Asked why, if they are so confident of no impacts, wind developers wouldn’t offer value guarantees, Tule Wind project manager Jeffrey Durocher said the terms of some proposed guarantee programs are just too subjective.

Some proposals “… give the homeowner leeway to claim that any value loss is attributable to the presence of turbines, despite the possible effects of other factors,†Durocher said.

“It’s very difficult to get agreement among the various parties on what causes the value loss. To do that for a number of homes for an unspecified distance is pretty unmanageable,†Durocher said.

[chinook35]

Looks like the bell is about to ring for round two.

http://watertown.ynn.com/content/top_st ... rstanding/

[amalgamator]

Hello! Looking at recent studies of the ground warming effects of windmills, this could effect ice formation and thus impact wildlife in mexico bay... Included a news report link below.. Ive never been to mexico bay, but if you loose the ice, marine organisms that need quiet calm water to survive the winter may be seriously affected. Just a thought

http://m.tgdaily.com/sustainability-fea ... emperature

[ Post made via iPhone ]

[plecos4sale]

With the cost of those turbines... It won't happen

[ Post made via iPhone ]

[LongLine]

It actually makes sense that there is an affect. Look at how the ice forms around docks in the water. It usually doesn't until the very coldest days in deep winter.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[fish or swim]

This is another story, same topic

http://news.discovery.com/earth/hot-win ... 20429.html

And 400,000 years of temperature history