LOC Derby $1200 per Day Boat Derby

[LOC Derby]

Here’s how it will work: $600 a day for the largest salmon and $600 a day for the largest trout, one winning fish per day per boat. Salmon minimum weight would be 20 lbs, Lake trout 15 lbs, Rainbow steelhead 13 lbs and brown trout 10 lbs. This way all trout will be competitive. For example: If a 12 lb brown trout were entered, it would take a 17.01 lake trout to beat it. Any problems with the math contact me.

I am staying with the $600 figure because at that amount I would not have to issue 1099 forms, besides depending on what your tax bracket is you can pay up to 40%. Because carryovers are in effect you would receive a 1099 if you win more than $600. Checks will be mailed on a weekly basis. As a side note all 2009 1099 forms from the LOC will be mailed before the end of the month.

For 2010 this event will run concurrently with the Summer Derby June 19th July 18th 2010 and coincides with the last two pro-ams and will utilize the LOC weigh in stations, hours and rules. (Other than the minimums described above.) This way it will not put too great of an additional burden on the stations. IF YOU ARE SUBMITTING FISH FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE LOC SUMMER DERBY, ALL RULES, SUCH AS ALL MEMBERS MUST BE ENTERED WOULD HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. So yes you could win in both.

The price for entry is $600 for USCG registered captains and $300 for non-captains and this covers everyone on the boat. If anyone on the boat is a past or present captain, the $600 would be in effect. Checks and 1099’s will be sent to the person who registers and any distribution of funds to fishing partners is the responsibility of that person. The weigh in station that weighs each of the daily fish will collect $25.

Go-no-go of this event will be May 15th and if not enough entries are received to cover the event, it would be cancelled. Do NOT send any money at this time. Please send an email as a letter of intent to participate in this event to [email protected]. Once enough letters of intent are received we will collect the fees. Any additional entries received after that date will go to cash prizes at the end.

If all goes well we can look forward to expanding this event in 2011. Please post any questions in this forum so all can see. Thanks and looking forward to an exciting 2010 season.

Dave Chilson

[Silver Fox]

Dave,

I don't understand the trout thing, well, I do, but not sure if that will fly. Is it really $600.00 to enter for Captain? If it is, won't do it. Trying to figure out how much $ people should be giving me and if after........... to complicted for my simple mind. Maybe I'm missing something here. If I am, please let me know.

[janz]

"The weigh in station that weighs each of the daily fish will collect $25."

Does the entrant pay this fee for each fish weighed in, or just for their winning fish, or is it paid by the derby and does it come out of the $600.

Sure does sound interesting.

Seems to me that overlapping with the summer derby is sorta duplicating efforts, having it during a time when nothing else is going on might attract those that could only fish during that time and would miss the regular derbies because of other commitments but would still like to take a chance of lightning striking.

Thank You for your efforts.

[LOC Derby]

Scott,

I can imagine some captains might use it as a promotion, where their customers could win $600 to offset the cost of the trip and if the captain went fishing for themselves, keep the cash. Also they could charge them each $25 bucks or some fee, and if they declined again keep the money for themselves. Or possibly never mention it and when they get to the dock offer to weigh their fish in and just keep the cash. Not sure exactly what goes on in every charter captains mind! I'm sure there are other options I haven't even considered.....

As far as the trout thing goes I wanted to make it fair for everyone along the lake. I went over many past events and this would keep it on a more even keel. I know a few lake trout fishermen on the west end who could turn this into a full time job and everyone would get real tired of reading their boat names.

Janz,

The derby would take care of the fee and it would come out of the entrants fee. And yes it was overlapping for a reason. It's already set and by adding this event will not require more days of derby fishing for the weigh stations. I know it's hard to believe but it can be quite stressful and long for all parties involved. By the end of the Fall Derby I swear there are weigh stations that want to choke me. Extended hours, my constant checking of procedures, entrants and can be daunting for all parties involved. After this event we can reveiw with the weigh stations their concerns and address them.

What happened with the first "Per day" event was it got out of hand and promises were made that could't be kept. Cheating went through the roof, people weren't paid and a black eye was given to the event and derbies in general. I want to keep that from happening again.

Yes there are some dead times but in this economic climate it would be unwise to try and draw during those times. Late May and early June have historically been slow, both fishing and tourism wise. Don't know it you remember but during the $1000 a day derby there were many carryovers at that time, and got to 5 figures. For this reason a couple of years ago I cut back the Summer Derby on the front end by a month. There wasn't the draw, fishing was slow, kids were getting out of school, crazy people are getting married etc. If interest is there having it after the summer and/or prior to the fall event would be the way I would go.

Dave Chilson

[on the lam]

I'm in hope it flys. There is nothing like burning gas to win gas money

[Shade]

I am in as well...Boat name to follow, we are going to purchase a new ride before spring.

Now please do not beat me to bad but I just want to get some clarification:

1) The Spring, Summer and Fall LOC Derby's will remain in tact with same entry fees and rules, Correct?

2) The $1200/day event is in addition to the Spring, Summer and Fall Derby's , Correct?

3) As a non Captain my entry fee for my boat is $300.00 which covers the $25 weigh in fee, Correct?

4) This event has nothing to do with the $1000/day event that was announced last night, Correct?

I appologize for the questions but I want to be sure what I am reading.

Shade

[muskybob]

So if I were to enter as a non-captain I would have to pay $600 in the event a captain MIGHT be fishing with me on MY boat at some time?

[Silver Fox]

You are correct. Also, I have to pay $600 for being a captain. I'm not that cocky to think that their are Many non-charter boats out there that might kick my a$@ and they pay half price? Is it boat size, # of trips or what? I can also see $ issues w/ what I should charge my buddies to fish in the tourny w/ me and if about 2 weeks down the road 2 new guys want to fish do I need to recalculate the $ and give some back to the others? Sorry Dave, I would love to support this, but I won't. The k.i.s.s. theory is out the door on this one.

[ray koziatek]

sounds pretty dooable and the min weight is a good way to keep a lot of 12,13 lb lakers alive and the steelies too(below 13 for the reolinda folks) the charter idea is a good wy to put some extra bucks in a trip win or not,,10 bucks a head x 4 per tripx 20 charter trips=800 for the year then the capt and crew are in for free with a little gas money to boot for a few fun trips on the slow days...............Musky were gonna have to make Mike ride behind in a tube if he wants to go. ops nick too...I guess the biggest downside is the lakers as a general rule most of us would never keep a big laker or any at all except 1 guy i know. I know the extra time and effort by the weighin sta. must be a pain and im shure you talked to them in prethinking this...But would they be ok with us calling in from the lake for up dates ONLY IF YOU CATCH A DERBY WEIGHT FISH that way maybe instead of 5 guys showing up with a 17 lb laker a phone call could give a properly released fish or more a second chance when there is already a 18 lbr in for the day. I know extra calls would be a pain ESPECIALLY IF GUYS MISSUSE THIS SERVICE JUST TO SEE HOW THE DERBY IS GOING,.but that could allow for easy cheating as someone could ice a fish and weighin the next day hoping for there fish to hold out the next day...it would be nice to see all the rules in play how this cheating can be prevented or minamized.

[LOC Derby]

Shade,

Yes to questions 1-4

Muskybob,

Yes, but you should be charging those Charter captains when you teach them to fish.

Scott,

When I was first approached the fee that was suggested for Charter Captains was $1200! Glad I didn't take that advice.....As you are well aware there are many people who have a USCG license from those who take their buddies and very few if any payiing clients to those who take a majority of clients. Not sure where you fit in but this was more geared towards the latter. Thanks for your question and I'm sorry if this is unworkable for you.

Dave Chilson

[BlueEye]

Dave,

Congratulations on the launch of the new tournament! I think the idea of having a trout division with minimum weights is excellent! The Big-O too often gets overshadowed when it comes the trophy class trout fishery we have here. This tournament could help give others a reason to put away the salmon sticks for a day and try for something else they might not have otherwise considered fishing for. Plus, I spend most of time aboard the Runnin’-Rebel-Brown-Trout-Machine so this tournament is right up our alley! Looking forward to participating!

[LOC Derby]

Maybe we need to do a poll. I have received some calls and emails in regard to USCG captains and I guess it may pertain to the previous post from ScottB. I wasn't aware of how many people that hold a USCG license and don't actually take paying clients. Should these people be placed in the same category as active charter businesses? Opinions please.

Dave Chilson

[ladyblugill]

great idea, dave. perfect for people in my situation.whether licenced captains pay twice as much or not i'm definately in. hope it works out.

[W.W.IV.]

Wow, you would never know we were in a recession . If I had $600 TO waste I'd find a better place to put it. I guess your pricing use poor folks out. Oh it doesn't make sense to me to put up $600 to win $600.

[LOC Derby]

Yes WWIV, if you are a Charter Captain who has no customers and is only going to fish one day over the 30 days of the event, I agree it would be a waste of your money. For those that still may confused, It's $36,000 over 30 days and you can win once per day. There are two prizes every day, $600 for the largest salmon and $600 for the largest trout, as per weights described in the first post. If you were really good you could win $18,000.

Some more math, if you are not a charter captain it costs $10 a day for the thirty days. ($300 enty fee) You can win $600 PER DAY. So in essence you are paying $10 each day to win $600. Charter Captains pay twice as much $600 enty fee or $20 per day to win $600. If no one enters a fish meeting the minimum requirements the amount is carried over to the following day, making it $1200 and so on. And before someone asks, there is no daily entry.

As individuals you will have to make the decision if this is right for you or not.

[motoman]

honestly this one mite be hard for me to get into , been derby fishing for years , but just got uscg lic's and will be trying too drum up clients , but the real of it is it will most likly be me and my partner and maybe a few paying trips , also if anyone don't know this, a USCL don't make ya a better fishermen , it's all safty and rule's while on the water , would of thought USCG captains, would get the brake . or maybe first year captains ? eather way well fish spring,summer,fall as always , if anything changes please post . and keep up your good work !

[LOC Derby]

Here are two changes that people are inquiring about. After talking to the attorney, since this is a boat tournament and there is no law requiring a minimum number of people to operate a boat, yes one person can fish by themselves. You must abide by the maximums allowable passengers as posted on the boat placard. I'm not a huge fan of fishing alone, it can be quite dangerous and steering, handling the net and rod at the same time is an accident waiting to happen. This does NOT change the rules of the Spring, Summer of Fall derbies.

Secondly how we are determining the USCG status is that if you booked for hire in 2009 and/or 2010 you are considerd an active captain.

Thanks

Dave Chilson

[A-TOM-MIK]

Applaud your efforts and energy Dave !!!! Interesting !!!!!

Will you be detailing/listing daily winners and what fish are being taken on/boats/charters listed via the net

Also what you are saying is if you get 60 non captains and 30 captains who all register their boats this is a go? or if you had 40 captains and 40 non captains, as long as you covered payouts? If so it sounds like this will def. happen (:

What if I pay my $300 and register as a non-captain but I have 1 or 2 of my buddies who are each captains but they each have their charter boats registered and happen to fish with me (non captain) on my non charter boat > ? Would that work

Tom

[Yankee Troller]

Tom you missed the small font in one of Dave's posts stating anyone who was part of a team that won the Lake Cup pays the Higher price. Sorry bud!

[A-TOM-MIK]

Gee thanks bud !!!! Now I will have to scam a few bucks out of the kids school lunch money to make up for my planned LOC involvement this summer with them !!

[Big Dave]

There goes the price of tee shirts

[skipper19]

hmmmm.....drive the 18 wheeler for 600 bucks a day enjoy the sights and sounds of truckstops and truck drivers ...or...drive the boat for 600 bucks a day , enjoy the sights and sounds of bikini girls basking on the deck and havin some cold bevs of choice, watching the sunset.....huh?....what?... ..I musta been dreamin....really, get paid to fish, what a novel idea....I LIKE IT!!!....sweetheart? ...honey?...er ummm .... can I have a month off and go fishin every day for 30 days I might be dreamin but I would do it.

Mark

[Pike Hunter]

Hi Dave,

Thank you for your effort with bringing a competitive fishing to the Lake O

I really liked the minimum weight on the trouts. Makes great sense!

In any case, I am interested in signing up for this tournament!

Anybody out of Irondequoit Bay who wants to team up can contact me by PM!

[LOC Derby]

OK guys and gals, here is a link to the web page that has the application.

http://www.loc.org/media/locreg.pdf

The regular application is the top one and the boat tournament is the second one down. About 20% of the needed participants have already responded, so it's looking good. If you send in your check I am not depositing them until it's a go. I can take Visa MC but it will be a 4% charge but am not going to do that until it's positive. Hate paying the bank just to refund money.

The web site will be updated with more information along with the LOC Derby paper which is being printed next week. I will try and get them out to the weigh stations and registrations outlets asap. Also they are going to about 8 sportsmen's shows in the next couple of months.

As a side note yes, walleye will be the Spring LOC but preregistration IS required. I got a little tired of disqualifying people who wouldn't follow the rules and this way night fishing is a go. Before anyone asks, the rules for trout and salmon will stay the same.

Thanks and only 84 more days until the Spring LOC!

Dave Chilson

[Arnaldo de Sousa]

What about Canadian Residents - can we enter this derby as well? - will there be weighing statins available on the Ontario Side?