Nice fish

[bigweenies]

We are finally seeing fish like you guys on Lake O. Big Weenie meat rig strikes again. Thanks so much to all the guys over there that support us and Jons little salmon, we really do appreciate it, BW

BY ERIC SHARP

DETROIT FREE PRESS OUTDOORS WRITER

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Lake Michigan

Royal Oak

MANISTEE -- If you dream of catching a master angler salmon, Lake Michigan and its tributaries in September should give you the best shot at that goal fishermen have had in the past five years.

Nearly as many master angler chinooks have come from Lake Michigan in August this year (three) as were recorded in all of 2010 (four). And Lynn Thoma, who keeps the master angler records for the Department of Natural Resources, said most of the record salmon don't get submitted for her approval until September and October.

The fish on the leaderboard entering Wednesday was a 37.1-pound chinook landed Aug. 22 near Manistee by Tim Shreves of Fowlerville aboard a 24-foot boat owned by his father-in-law, Rick Schulte of Royal Oak, with Schulte's son, Derek, acting as mate.

And minutes before, they had landed another record-angler fish that they cut up to eat, Rick Schulte said, "because the Mickey Mouse scale we were using on the boat was under by about 3 or 4 pounds, but we didn't find out until we took the big fish in to be weighed on a certified scale."

Schulte, 57, began fishing for salmon out of Manistee with his dad 30 years ago and says, "I figure that if you add up all the money I've spent over the years chasing salmon, that fish cost me about $5,000 an inch. But it was worth every penny."

The big chinook was caught on a herring strip "meat rig," a natural bait that has been a mainstay on Lake Ontario for decades and is growing in popularity on Lake Michigan.

Schulte said he and his crew went out on a charter trip with Manistee captain Paul Schlafley of Riverside Charters to learn how to fish with this method, "then we went out on our own and followed his program. Once we knew what we were doing, we just tore 'em up" using a Big Weenie UV ice meat system.

"It was amazing. We could hardly get the baits down before fish were on them," Schulte said. "We had four rods out, and there were times when we had three or four going at once."

Lake Michigan's prey-fish stocks have declined drastically in the past decade, especially alewives that are the preferred prey for chinook salmon. But recent surveys have showed large numbers of juvenile alewives, and anglers say the big chinooks will eat them as readily as adult alewives.

"The salmon we caught were all spitting up real small alewives and shad," Schulte said. "But the salmon were all nice fish, 16 pounds or better. We limited out in 3 1/2 hours."

Gordon Butler is a Grand Rapids angler who has been fishing out of several Lake Michigan ports this summer in his 23-foot center console, and he said that "it has been the best year we've seen for salmon, both numbers and sizes, since about 2005.

"We went through a few years there where not only were the fish smaller, there weren't as many. And the cohos just became midgets, maybe 3-4 pounds on average.

"This spring we started fishing cohos out of St. Joseph in May, and (they) already were 5-6 pounds. And when we moved up to Grand Haven in July, we were getting 15- to 20-pound chinooks, compared to a 10- to 12-pound average last summer."

Butler said he has been putting his boat away in early September for the past three or four years because "it wasn't worth the fuel costs for the kind of fish we were seeing."

"But I'm going to fish this September as long as the salmon is hitting," he said. "I figure we have a real good chance at getting a couple of fish over 30 (pounds), and fighting a salmon like that is an amazing experience."

Schulte said the 37-pound salmon taken on his boat "took off 250 feet of braided line, and I had the drags on the reels screwed down pretty tight because of the weight of the rigs we were towing.

"I had rotator cuff surgery last year, and my shoulder was already killing me when that fish hit. By the time it stopped running, it was about 450 feet behind the boat. I looked at my son-in-law and said, 'I think it's your turn.' That's why it took 45 minutes for Tim to bring it in.

"Derek took over the wheel when I got ready to net the fish. I didn't realize how big it was, so I picked up the walleye net. I could barely get a third of it into the net, and then it rolled out, so I leaned over and gilled it," Schulte said.

"I had my hand stuck right in its mouth, and those teeth hurt, but I wasn't about to let go and held on until we got it into the big net."

Schulte said he hopes his fish holds its place as the biggest Michigan salmon of the year, "but I'd kind of like to see some get a 40-pounder, too. I wouldn't feel bad, because the one we caught is going up on the wall."

[Fishtails]

All the thanks goes to you BW. You keep upping the bar and help us anglers put more fish in the boat. Thanks for all your hard work !

[REELJERKS]

Great story, love the father and son episode reminds me of my father taking me fishing...and it’s nice to see bigger fish caught in Lake Michigan again. I’m still wondering why the fish all of a sudden became smaller in Lake Michigan ? was it over stocking? to much or to little bait around? Climate/water change?

Why are Lake Ontario fish bigger? When Lake Michigan is deeper / with more shore line than Lake Ontario?

Anyone know the average size for fish caught in Lake Michigan as compared to those of Lake Ontario?

Mark

[rolmops]

Great story, love the father and son episode reminds me of my father taking me fishing...and it’s nice to see bigger fish caught in Lake Michigan again. I’m still wondering why the fish all of a sudden became smaller in Lake Michigan ? was it over stocking? to much or to little bait around? Climate/water change?

Why are Lake Ontario fish bigger? When Lake Michigan is deeper / with more shore line than Lake Ontario?

Anyone know the average size for fish caught in Lake Michigan as compared to those of Lake Ontario?

Mark

According to the articles that I have read, it is because Lake Michigan is in a colder temperature zone, which makes for a shorter feeding/growth season. Add to that the quaga mussel that is making a big dent in the food supply for minnows and shad and you end up with smaller fish.

[Tim Bromund]

Mostly due to poor fisheries management policies in the past, between the 4 states bordering Lake Michigan, at one point they were stocking something like 20 million trout and salmon a year in Michigan, add some significant natural reproduction and there were more predators than the forage base could support and the fish faced disease and reduced size. They have seriously reduced the number of stocked fish in recent years and the forage base gas had a chance to recover somewhat. Lake Huron was far worse and the salmon fishing in that lake completely collapsed for a while and the kings that were caught were small and skinny/malnourished, looked more like northern pike than salmon.

IMO Lake Michigan isn't any colder and doesn't have any shorter growing season than Lake O and in the 70's and 80's consistently produced high 30's and 40+ lb fish before the crash in the late 80s from BKD (bacterial kidney disease) from the stressed fish in the system. it is a little bit more sterile of a system than Lake Ontario because we have that wonderful nutrient sink called Lake Erie pumping fertile water into our lake.

I fished Lake Michigan, well Green Bay actually, out of Marinette Wisconsin (Dad's home town) in the early/mid 80's and can tell you that back then, the salmon and trout fishing (Lake Michigan was where the term "football brown" was coined) was out of this world, both in size and in numbers.

Tim

[Capt Vince Pierleoni]

Good stuff. The theory is where the lakes are in relation to the equator, and yes being downstream from the "shallow one" certainly helps. There is a informative book called "The Great, Great Lakes" which has a lot about the history of commercial fishing in all the Great Lakes. Lake Ontario produced more cold water fish flesh pounds per acre than the others. This is why ever comparing Huron to Ontario is apples and oranges.

Awesome to hear the good news about Michigan. Great fishermen and birthplace of what is now the greatest inland sportfishery-Great Lakes PACIFIC Salmon fishing.

[bigweenies]

With 4 states doing whatever they think is best, it does make it a mess sometimes. I know plants from Mich are way down especially the coho. If you guys ever want to coho fish for great eaters the south end of the lake here is awesome in the spring. The water will look like its boiling sometimes from so many 1 and 2# coho. You get 9 rods in the water and hit a school and all 9 go, chinese fire drill after that. Bigger fish always seemed to be caught north but alot of big fish were caught all over this year. A few years ago we went almost 4 years with any kings over 19#s Hopefully all the states can get there act together and keep it a great fishery but those asian carp look scary down the road. Thanks again guys, BW

[chowder]

Very thankful for BW's attention to detail on the flasher hardware,fly rigging & hooks. Our big fish this fall ripped the dipsy so hard I thought the rod holder was gonna tear out of the track & then later it tried to pass the boat and things got very dicey as me & my son were passing rods back & forth trying to get the beast to net. An epic father & son bonding event -THANKS!

[bigweenies]

Thanks Chowder, We try and do the best we can. I have never sold a meat rig or fly I didnt tie myself. One of the reasons we are not trying to get in every store out there, just cant keep up with much more.Great news coming this winter on the meat rigs. BW