Read this!!!!Where is our water going in the Great Lakes

[rapala]

I have just watched a show that used to be on YOU TUBE which has been taken off, (originally on TRU Tv???) The big corporations are selling our water to us and other countries. Look up on Google "conspiracy theory" and Great Lakes water. I had to pull my fishing boat from Lake Ontario 3th week of August (marina had very low water)

[GAMBLER]

Come on.....You believe that? We had no snow pack to melt into the lake last winter (it rained all winter and no water was held back because of the fear of too much water in the spring like a couple springs ago), no rain this spring and summer. The lake never got up to the high for the season like normal. We started off 6" below the normal when the lake is the highest. Add that up with a bad drought and you get crappy water levels. My fathers 28 acre pond and well in Ontario County went dry. It has nothing to do with people taking water from the lake.

[W.W.IV.]

[BullGator]

There was a lot of talk about the use of Lake Erie's water this year for corporate use, and their desire to use more. But certainly as Gambler said, the issue has been last winter being weak and the summer drought. Ontario sure is way, way down.

[jimski2]

The water levels have returned to normal. Several thousand of years ago the ice over your home was two thousand feet thick, before Al Gore's warming up BS, and the Great Lakes emptied in to the Mississsippi.

Get used to it, things change.

At least we have water, that is the blessing. Now we will have to deal to the Texans and others from out west who will migrrate here.

[BSmaster]

Don't forget DEC 21st!!! "BOOM"

Things change - spot on jimski.

[rolmops]

At least we have water, that is the blessing. Now we will have to deal to the Texans and others from out west who will migrrate here.

What worries me is not the Texans migrating here.

It is the big companies who are constantly trying to inch their way into control of our great resource. If we do not pay attention,they will start loading up tankers in the middle of the lake and sell the water to some desert oil countries , or try to lay a pipeline to Las Vegas so they can suck our water to the desert in order to maintain golf courses that should not be there in the first place.

Both of these things have come up in discussions already and some big interests are trying to buy politicians to get that ball rolling.

[jimski2]

The average evaporation rate for Lake Erie is 36 inches of water a year. The Detroit River has a greater water flow than the Niagara River. 10% of Lake Erie's water flows down the Welland Canal where it also is used for power generation. Niagara Falls, Ontario is now completing a huge tunnel under the city to use more water for power generation. Waste water and industrial users increase the water temperatures every day that increase the evaporation rates.

Stop taking showers and you will have more water for your boat.

[BSmaster]

Only have a possibility of happening when oil becomes less valuable commodity than water. The logistics for both of those hypothesis seem to stretch my realistic expectations to the limits. Using simple dynamics, a very large portion of the water is renewable. This isn't a tub with no spigot. It comes in and goes out. (ignoring evap and seepage) The stuff that goes out is of no value to you unless you follow it. So if you have something (water) that you no longer use and someone offers to trade for that something that you no longer need, for something you do need (money, oil), than this makes good business sense. However, I do not see it happening (logistics). This is why guys with glaucoma shouldn't be put into think tanks. This is a Hollywood suspense/drama story theme and at present moment has little to do with reality. If water is that valuable, than I think we would see a lot more imbankments to capture this vital resource.

A village in my area is selling water to the frackers. They had surplus water and turned it into a revenue generating resource for the village water department. Doesn't adversely affect the residents. My most general theme is that it would be very difficult to build this pipeline or ship this water. My secondary theme is that managing a resource properly is good thing. There is a new generation of tree huggers and these persons are better educated with politics and more tech savvy. They know they need to form a base to support their conclusions so they fill in the blanks that support their claim and discard the rest. All you see is a perfectly formed video/article leading/telling us we are doomed if we don't stop it from continuing. They have an agenda, misguided or not, it is still just a biased opinion - Just like my rant just now.

IF you worry worts want to stay up all night. Google Yellowstone 2012 apocalypse and/or fema prison camps and just let it take you on a magical world of conspiracy and doom.

Me, I'm going fishing.

Joe

[rolmops]

Only have a possibility of happening when oil becomes less valuable commodity than water. The logistics for both of those hypothesis seem to stretch my realistic expectations to the limits. Using simple dynamics, a very large portion of the water is renewable. This isn't a tub with no spigot. It comes in and goes out. (ignoring evap and seepage) The stuff that goes out is of no value to you unless you follow it. So if you have something (water) that you no longer use and someone offers to trade for that something that you no longer need, for something you do need (money, oil), than this makes good business sense. However, I do not see it happening (logistics). This is why guys with glaucoma shouldn't be put into think tanks. This is a Hollywood suspense/drama story theme and at present moment has little to do with reality. If water is that valuable, than I think we would see a lot more imbankments to capture this vital resource.

A village in my area is selling water to the frackers. They had surplus water and turned it into a revenue generating resource for the village water department. Doesn't adversely affect the residents. My most general theme is that it would be very difficult to build this pipeline or ship this water. My secondary theme is that managing a resource properly is good thing. There is a new generation of tree huggers and these persons are better educated with politics and more tech savvy. They know they need to form a base to support their conclusions so they fill in the blanks that support their claim and discard the rest. All you see is a perfectly formed video/article leading/telling us we are doomed if we don't stop it from continuing. They have an agenda, misguided or not, it is still just a biased opinion - Just like my rant just now.

IF you worry worts want to stay up all night. Google Yellowstone 2012 apocalypse and/or fema prison camps and just let it take you on a magical world of conspiracy and doom.

Me, I'm going fishing.

Joe

I wish it was that simple.

One question only, what happened to the Colorado river?

[BSmaster]

The math is complicated because of all the ways the water comes and goes. The problems they have in the west are a result of mismanagement. The Aquifer in the great plains was depleted and then they got all that rain that one summer and it refilled. What about this summer? Mississippi is pretty low. At what point do the scientists/legislators say that the farmers have to reduce irrigation? Water is tied indirectly into the economy. The math is complicated. You are right - not simple. I honestly do not know what happened to the Colorado River. I must not be up to date. Sorry.

[jimski2]

Colorado River water? Las Vegas.

[rolmops]

The water in the Colorado river does not reach the sea anymore because it is used up by different interest groups. This has destroyed much of the fish breeding grounds in the Bay of California. The need for water in that area is forever growing and it is there that big commercial interests want to pipe Great Lakes water.

Currently the inflow and outflow of the Great Lakes is well balanced, thanks to the 9 state Great Lakes Consortium which does a great job at protecting our water. but if water is going to get pumped away,the level will go down, much faster than you might think.

[Don Supon]

Wouls someone out there please find a way to convert salt water to fresh water.

[rolmops]

Wouls someone out there please find a way to convert salt water to fresh water.

There is an enormous amount of that going on ,just not so much in the USA.

[john1947]

my question is why did they let out so much water in august when they knew there was no water going into the lake.It is only simple mathematics we would end up very low.

[john1947]

my question is why did they let out so much water in august when they knew there was no water going into the lake.It is only simple mathematics we would end up very low.

[ray koziatek]

needed it downstream for the brewery...makes sence.

[rolmops]

my question is why did they let out so much water in august when they knew there was no water going into the lake.It is only simple mathematics we would end up very low.

It has to do with the minimal needed water levels in the St. Lawrence River.

[Tim Bromund]

my question is why did they let out so much water in august when they knew there was no water going into the lake.It is only simple mathematics we would end up very low.

It has to do with the minimal needed water levels in the St. Lawrence River.

yup, if they held water back, Montreal Harbor would have been left high and dry.

Tim

[LongLine]

Back in march-april they started cutting it back. Problem was we got rain in big bunches. Then had 3-4 weeks with nothing.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[jimski2]

Due to low flow rates this year, salt water has intruded up the Mississippi River eighty nine miles causing the shut down of Water Treatment plants. They will want to suck up more of our Great Lakes water next.

[Lower River Rat]

The truth to the lower water levels is that Obama has been selling it to the Russians. Several Russian subs were sighted this summer just off False Duck Island. They fill up with our fresh water and take it to Cuba. That was what Obama was saying to the Russians this summer when he thought he had a closed mic and said he would have more leeway when he was reelected. It is all part of his plan to socialize the US.

[Cheers]

Now I have heard it all!

[rolmops]

The truth to the lower water levels is that Obama has been selling it to the Russians. Several Russian subs were sighted this summer just off False Duck Island. They fill up with our fresh water and take it to Cuba. That was what Obama was saying to the Russians this summer when he thought he had a closed mic and said he would have more leeway when he was reelected. It is all part of his plan to socialize the US.

Yea right, and he did it with the help of those evil communist socialist Canadians. It's time to bomb Toronto!!