Allow trained and approved teachers to CCW

[skipper19]

Half a dozen attacks caused the death of 20 people. One attack with a gun caused the death 26 people. Should I explain how many deaths would have occurred if the cleaver guys would have had high power full automatics or even semi automatics? (the semis would probably have killed more).

Obviously..I need no explanation.Thanks I must be terribly narrow minded...I should just focus on the firearms in the US..however the point is missed again...society without deterred nut case attacks lets it happen dozens of times in 2 years. And the implements used has changed. Not the treatment of the whack jobs. Multiply the attacks times six per year times the years between columbine and Connecticut. None would be best but I would rather take the later and not worry about cleavers and knives and hammers without even the governments help.

What kind of gun did Oswald use?..did it fire automatically 30 rounds with the one pull of the trigger? In other words there really is no definition in what a dangerous firearm is. But was Oswald a beleiver in America or Marxist Russia, or was he never found schitzo in his young life. Too bad there wasn't a nics check back then. Maybe there would have never been a gun...in a schitzo's hands.

NRA supporter killer?....do you believe the NRA supports his type? Helps his type? Wants to let criminals run rampant with any firearm, or do they want the rest of us to have the freedom to choose our way of life in the face of a killer trying to change that? I don't care if he has a gun or a knife it is HIM who wants to change my life for the worst:

God Bless Everyone and Merry Christmas to all

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[LongLine]

The issue of dangers to society are not going to go away, even if all the guns go away.

That’s absolutely true Skipper. Only the issues of people shooting people with guns will go away.

How many would have died had Lanza had a cleaver? Armed with a cleaver probably would have killed a lot less. JFK might have lived a little longer had Oswald thrown books out of the book depository. His rifle was a single action bolt weapon. ie pull the bolt back for each round and pull the triger.

All “gun violent eventsâ€, whether the shooter was a nut-case or not; whether he had a license or not; whether he got the gun legally or illegally; whether he bought it or stole it from some law abiding gun owner; whether he had a drug history or not; whether he was a member of the NRA or not; whether he was young or old; whether he mentally â€â€˜snapped†or not; whether it was in a school, in a crowded theater; a college; a parking lot (as in Belair Tn) or along the shores of Lake Ontario - all have 2 things in common.

Let me spell it out for you – T-r-a-g-e-d-y & G-U-N.

“Weird†how all the rights given in the Constitution are limited. I.e Freedom of speech – but can’t yell fire in a crowded theater. Freedom of the press – but can’t slander. Freedom of religion – but can’t have more than one spouse & no ritual sacrifices. Right to public assembly – try that downtown without a permit. Freedom to redress of grievances – just walk in on Congress or the White House & tell your issue…right! Freedom to vote - but must be 18 & registered. Prohibition was repealed – but you can’t drink and drive and lord forbid you give it to a minor. All these limititations were established by the courts with the reasoning of being in “the greater good†for our society. Yet any limitation what-so-ever on the 2nd amendment has gun owners “up in arms.â€

I pray for a speedy & complete recovery for the survivors today and my heartfelt condolences go out to the family of those that didn't survive. They are all true heroes and our community owes them a lot.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[rolmops]

NRA supporter killer?....do you believe the NRA supports his type? Helps his type? Wants to let criminals run rampant with any firearm, or do they want the rest of us to have the freedom to choose our way of life in the face of a killer trying to change that?

I do not believe that the NRA supports these killers. That's why I wrote NRA supporter killer,not NRA supported killer.

[jimski2]

The media has been bamboozled by the Gun Control Advocates and NRA as they seek your cash over the shootings.

The fact is there are people out on the streets who are a danger to your family and others. We have closed most of our mental health facilities and dumped the patients on the streets where they may or may not take their needed medications. Spending two billion dollars to put men with guns in the schools is not the answer. Getting the deranged, drug addicts and released convicts off the streets is a better answer.

The ex husband and other son fled the home with the mother and deranged son giving her $268,000 a month in support. No questions asked, just get me out of here. She could have put the killer in a proper care institution but then would lose her meal ticket so she gambled with her own life and the school victims.

Meanwhile New York State continues to close more mental health care institutes and releases the dangerous people to the streets along with time served criminals and drug addicts. The real problem is still ignored by the media because the money seekers have control of the media.

[LongLine]

Account I saw was that the mother was process of geting a court order but he snapped & was jealous of the school kids getting her attention.

NRA supporter killer?....do you believe the NRA supports his type?

No I do not believe that. What I believe is that the NRA’s answer to gun violence is to put more arms at the scene. As they have stated “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.â€

The NRA reacted to only one bad (horrific) event with a specific recommendation and then added multiple complaints about society, the system and gun violence in general. i.e station armed guards to deter armed invasion of our schools (not just deter student violence) yet nothing on how to help that which they complained about. If the presence of a good guy with a gun stopped gun violence then I guess no armored cars would ever get held up and no police officer would ever get shot at.

They point and say other elements of the equation have a problem and guns aren’t the problem. Do they suggest a definition of what “Good†mental health regarding ownership of guns is? Are their lobbyists demanding a Federal law that States not participating in the Federal database must immediately do so? Do they demand that every mental health practitioner in the US automatically report all patients to the authorities? Do they set the example & certify that every one of their members is of “good†mental health? Do they demand all gun sales be reported to the police? Do they demand that authorities go after the supplier of the gun as well as the consumer when the consumer does something tragic? (As happens for alcohol issues in NY)

Do they propose a Constitutional amendment that might read: “the right of the citizens to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed upon – unless they have a prior mental exam by a certified medical practitioner� or how about just inserting the word “Good†citizens?

Of course they don’t, that would limit the 2nd amendment; rather they’ve sworn to defend the rights to own a gun of anyone that pays their $35/yr fee. Is it now required to have a notarized statement from a licensed psychiatrist to obtain a gun or do you still only have to provide a couple “character†references and have no priors? (Lots of rookie criminals out there – Lanza was one & he purchased a gun legally)

The NRA has done a fantastic job regarding Hunter safety. Believe me – I am very glad about that and we all should be. Yet the Bureau of Statistics says there are a little over 100 hunting fatalities & over 500 non-fatalities every year in the US and the number one cause is mis-identification of target. The 2nd amendment guarantees the right of citizens to defend themselves. Does this mean if someone in the hunting party gets shot at, that the rest of the party has the right to shoot back? God, I hope not! -because that is totally asinine

I have no issue with people owning guns in their homes for defense of their property. I do have an issue with guns out in the general public, especially those that are concealed and not carried by a bonifide member of law enforcement. IMO, emphasis should be in keeping guns away from schools & public gatherings/events not in trying to blow the bad guy away after he has done something bad. (Lanza & Spengler died of self inflicted wounds)

What’s the NRA’s response to that theater mass shooting? Arm the ticket takers, a gun behind the popcorn machine? With the senseless & horrible tragedy of those brave men we just had, God forbid they recommend redefining the term “Fire-fighter†by mounting guns on every volunteer pumper in the country.

BTW – Spengler had a revolver, a shotgun and a Bushmaster. News just released by Chief Pickering. (Didn't Lanza have a Bushmaster?)

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[on the lam]

Tom... I must say if you weren't a liberal politician in the past you should consider a future career

You have all the answers that have no solutions.

I can tell you that in 29 years in law enforcement the single biggest problem that i feel threatens the general public is mentally deranged people. They fall between the cracks of a court of law ( prison) and a bleeding heart mental health system that cant treat or institutionalize people who need to be off the streets.. as hard as the NRA fights for second amendment rights, the ACLU fights for mentally deranged peoples rights not to be held against their wishes. Thus back on the streets they go and in some cases they become evil.

There is no easy solution, but the statement still rings true... people kill people, guns dont kill people. I give you credit for you passion... i personally agree to disagree.

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[GAMBLER]

Long line,

He may have had guns but they had to be ILLEGALLY obatined. Taking away guns will only arm the criminals. If we had the death penalty (to many liberals in NY) when he killed his grandmother, this sorry excuse for a man would have been worm food a long time ago. The justice system failed the first time and let this basket case out of prision.

[PennYan20]

After a 31 yr. career in the public schools, you can pretty much tell which ones are going to be our major problems, in the future. Some of the kids have had assaults, burgleries, drug charges etc. They represent(in my opinion)not responsable enough, even for a drivers license. Many confiscated weapons in high schools.....NEVER hit the news! Teachers assaulted by STUDENTS! Give teachers CCW rights? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! Just think of what would happen if a WILD kid got a hold of their teachers gun???

Folks, if there is one thing I have learned in this crazy life is....."If someone wants something bad enough....they will get it!" First responders are the heros.......These senseless acts of mass taking of human lives could have been worse! We may slow it down......but prevent it? Not without taking away everyones RIGHTS. Just my opinion. I am very saddened by the depraved act of killing......whether it is a beautiful rainbow trout slammed on a rock by a jack a**. or an innocent child,adult-hero!

I am blessed to have a website like this one, that reaches thousands of members...like me, who protect their brothers and sisters......and respect all living things.

Sincerely and respectfully submitted, Steve............................

[Has Been]

In the case w/ the Webster Firemen, may they RIP, i consider this.

If our broken justice system would have done the right thing after this guy killed his grammy w/ a hammer(not a firearm ) and put a rope around his neck and hung him at high noon in the public square , 2 Fathers - Husbands-bro's-sons would have had Christmas dinner . Lest I forget the wounded also.

But some feel that this loser could be rehabilitated & become a productive member of society. Well , that turned out pretty nicely , didn't it. What else has this pillar of society done in his freetime to get his kicks we don't know about. What did this guy do for a living I wonder? Seems most of the time it is someone who has mental issues that have been ongoing & ignored by parents-family -friends-teachers who don't want to act or want to mainstream them. Look at the results.

Tim MvVeigh used Diesel & Fertilzer(not a firearm) for his rampage. As I recall Colombine had some rigged propane tanks(not a firearm ) that did not work.

Don't know what the answer is but don't remember this type of thing hapenning when I grew up ,And most of us had Guns at home for hunting. Fix the problems, which really is not the guns. And don't forget about WHY there is the 2nd ammendment,

[anniep]

It is beyond me why some people continue to rant about the ak47, ar15 and like military weapons. I posses a glock 23,40cal. hand gun (SEMI-AUTO) with half doden 13round clips,capable of changing clips in a fraction of a second ,if this is not enough carry two capacity 156rounds ,some will get the point. Place these firearms in the hands of a sick pearson,not a good result. People ,wise up not the gun or even the style of gun.

[LongLine]

I can tell you that in 29 years in law enforcement the single biggest problem that i feel threatens the general public is mentally deranged people.

Pete – Are you sure you don’t want to amend that to “mentally deranged people with guns� From your experience in law enforcement do the police respond quicker & in more force to a 911 call about a mentally deranged person loitering on the street or about any person loitering on the street with a gun ? Mentally deranged people currently don’t wear a “star†on their clothes so society can tell who they are.

What I’m hearing so far from a legitimate gun owner association that has done a lot of good for hunter safety, is that in order to solve world hunger, we need to solve world hunger by putting more “hunger†out there. Is the NRA actively lobbying for specific solutions to the whole problem or just lobbying for more guns out there that your former colleagues and our children and other members or society could potentially face? Unfortunately, they have publicly stated the later - the answer to guns is more guns.

Liberal – NO. Impatient – YES. Passionate – YES. Pi$$ed off – YES. Other than to put more hunger out there, what is your solution? Pick one of my thoughts or suggest your own that won’t just contribute to the problem: Do we force non-complying states to contribute to and thus expand the Fed database? Do we force the medical profession and all guidance counselors to report mental instability to the authorities? Do we require mental exams for buying guns? Do we define that mental exam? Do we keep the criminal on parole forever? Do we go after the seller of any gun to any wacko? Due we ban automatic weapons & large capacity magazines? Do we put an exorbitant excise tax on gunpowder and use the money to support law enforcement? Do we not allow “insanity pleas†anymore? Do we establish mandatory lengthy non-parole eligible sentences for gun related crimes? Do we re-establish the death penalty? Do we institute public torture & firing squads for those sicko’s that don’t commit suicide during their despicable acts?

I fully support the right to own guns for hunting and protection of an individual’s personal property. (Guess that makes me a “Liberalâ€) even though those rights have been interpreted and not written into the US Constitution.

I don’t see any human life value difference between Conn & Webster. They are both tragic losses to our society and I hope to God they are never repeated. I also see a striking similarity: It’s spelled B-U-S-H-M-A-S-T-E-R-.2-2-3.

I respect & support your right to disagree.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[skipjack]

Do the math a 12 gauge3.5 inch shells with 00 buck has more projectiles at the end of the last shot, then any ar with a 30 round clip. Not to mention they get alittle s@@t on ever thing. What is the difference. All the medias bad blaco gun crying that's what.

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[on the lam]

Tom.... the fact that a person has mental issues

Is the problem for police period. They are hard to handle in terms of enforcement and prosecution. They are unpredictable and even without a gun. A knife, bat or any number of hard or edge objects become an problem. The recent tragedy's are in Ct. and NY are extreme examples of a big problem with how these people are handled and how the system works.

Last week we went to a home of a 30 ish year old guy who was a gym rat. 6 ft 230 type guy. He was on the front steps of his parents home screaming at everyone who would listen. He insisted he was god. He threatened the lives of officers who had to pepper spray him just as a diversion. Then the fight was on. Needless to say he was subdued but crazy. Full restraints and off to the hospital. Thats our involvement. Security at the hospital couldn't handle him and he escaped. So now the officers he threatened to kill including the police chief were put on notice. Fortunately a few hours later he was found naked and lighting a farmers market/ nursery on fire.

Point being guys like this live everywhere. He lives in a town of 23k people in one square mile. There are 6 schools in that one square mile. One a block from his home. There are thousands of weapons in those homes which he could easily steal if he doesn't have his own gun. He is the problem. Not the gun, not the knife or any other weapon.

The system concerning mentally deranged people fails the public IMO. And there is no easy fix.

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[skipjack]

I totally agree, and thank you for you time on the force.

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[jimski2]

The problem is the dangerous people on the streets, not what your media editors want the public to believe. The state closed our mental facilities because the unions became effective in protecting the employees costing more money that could be squandered by the politicians for their favorite pork projects. The media sources are dependent on political campaign contributions for revenues and they do not want that cash cow to dry up. They tell you what the politicians want, not what is good for the public safety.

[Paul Czarnecki]

I don’t see any human life value difference between Conn & Webster. They are both tragic losses to our society and I hope to God they are never repeated. I also see a striking similarity: It’s spelled B-U-S-H-M-A-S-T-E-R-.2-2-3.

I respect & support your right to disagree.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

Tom....I was in a casino playing poker as the CN shootings unfolded. They initially reported that the shooter had 2 HANDGUNS--a Glock and a Sig Sauer and had shot all his victims with those weapons. When a Bushmaster AR15 was found in the shooter's car OUTSIDE the story suddenly changed to a "murder by assault rifle" story because that fit the Liberal agenda better. Since then that is all you have heard. However, the ORIGINAL story was recently brought up again about the shooter's weapons being legal HANDGUNS but the media is keeping it hushed.

As far as I am concerned the MEDIA was responsible for the maggot in Webster choosing the weapon he did because of their lies concerning the CN shooter's weapons.

If you have proof that the CN scum that killed those kids using the aforementioned Bushmaster (that the Police Chief found in the shooter's CAR) I would love to see it. And please don't quote David Gregory or Piers Morgan or any other Socialist, Facist or Marxist publication.

[Big Water]

After a 31 yr. career in the public schools, you can pretty much tell which ones are going to be our major problems, in the future.

PennYan,

You hit the nail on the head with this single observation. You recognize this, their neighbors recognize this, co-workers recognize this, but no one does anything! Start tracking and documenting a persons behavior from childhood for signs of Aggression, Psychopathy, Sociopathy, Narcissism, abberant behavior and build a case against individuals that need to be regularly monitored/assessed or committed. You would not only avoid some of these incidents (avoiding all of them is unattainable), but you would provide a great service to society built from all of the less egregious acts these people often commit. We have become too sensitized to a person's rights at the expense of society in general.

Doug

[LongLine]

Well Paul, I’m not sure what you would call a “right wing†news agency you trust, but if you’d care to name a few, I’ll gladly look in their archives. (Except for the Teapartynews because they’re blaming fun loving and that everyone should be home schooling their kids anyways) But for now, how about what these guys said:

He then drove to the school in her car with four guns, including a shotgun that was left in the back of the vehicle, and shot up two classrooms around 9:30 a.m., police say. Police added that multiple 30-round magazines and hundreds of bullets were also found at the scene.

The rifle used was a Bushmaster .223-caliber, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation who was not authorized to speak about it and talked on condition of anonymity. The gun is commonly seen at competitions and was the type used in the 2002 sniper killings in the Washington, D.C., area. Also found in the school were two handguns, a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/16/at ... ut-school/

How about Associated Press:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... TE=DEFAULT

How about Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/ ... YT20121216

How about ABCnews? – (left wing – I don’t know)

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... ity-clips/

I looked at the BBC archives but they just quote the AP.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[Tim Bromund]

[GAMBLER]

That is a good on Tim.

[PennYan20]

I enjoyed the Bic Lighter!..........But, I think a flare gun was used. Guess we have to get rid of them Steve.......................

This senseless act of taking human lives, hits home HARD! Anthony DiPonzio(my Nephew by marriage) a target by a deranged kid who slipped through the cracks of "our system."

Some of you may remember Pamela Moss,who was brutally raped and murdered. She was a neighbor of mine, when I was growing up. I still sign the petition to keep that B**tard from release from prison. I'll be signing the one for the little B**tard that shot Anthony.....if parole is ever offered! Got to stay on top of these, so that there is no way they will ever be a threat to our society! Sincerely, Steve...............

[Hookedup]

Got to love all the bushmaster comments:) No Clue, FBI crime stats for 2011 12664 total murders knives 1694, shotguns 356, and last on list for firearms rifles 323 total for US. Wish I knew of the 323 how many were AR type I bet not many.

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[PennYan20]

I would more interesting:how many had prior felony assaults/killings and did time, and released. Or mentally unstable (re-hab) to be mainstreamed to our communities! I can't wait til Spring,to shake down my boat and enjoy the peace of mind off shore. It's been a few years. Fish or no fish,like being in another world,out there. Steve................

Gotta love media, they call it a .223 assault rifle. I have a friend who owns one and only uses it for target practice and competion. I have to look at the bic lighter as an example of what people are intending it's use to be.

Fathers,Mothers etc. have been properly training younger family members......with the assistance of the N.R.A. and gun shops etc. trained and certified people are the ones less likely to draw first blood.

A Proud Member! Steve............................

[Mortigan]

Gotta love media, they call it a .223 assault rifle...

Then most follow with "...which had a combat-style flash suppressor." like it means something. I saw one that stated it hides the flash from an observer (it doesn't) and two sentences later, repeated the emergency radio report from an observer saying he could see the muzzle flash coming straight at him.

[LongLine]

I have to look at the bic lighter as an example of what people are intending it's use to be.

Now that you mention it, “intending it’s use to be†is an interesting topic especially when coupled with “designed forâ€.

The bic lighter was designed to light things. Among many things, most commonly, cigarettes (which BTW are heavily regulated along with anything smoking related-legal or illegal); open burning (which BTW is illegal in NYS); campfires (which BTW are definitely regulated in public places & in certain months forbidden in many states – heck, ya can’t even transport firewood for camping in NYS) However It is perfectly okay to have cooking fires on your own property lit with your bic.

The gun was designed to shoot and destroy things. Hunters definitely intend to kill their prey (Gun hunters don’t practice ‘shoot & release†unless they’re lousy marksmen); Home protectionists intend to kill the intruders (gun owners applaud when this happens); Skeet shooters intend to destroy the clay pigeons; Target shooters intend to shoot their targets. (I wonder why so many targets have human shape and a bull’s-eye is a “kill�)

Was that bic designed to light a structure on fire? Try to light a 2x4 with that toy flame thrower and see where it gets you. Now if you want a “man’s†flame, try the military M2 Thrower. It was designed to light and to kill. Oops…my bad…you have to have Federal permission for a DD or is that an AOW(?). (Device of Destruction, any other weapon)

Unfortunately the rifle used in these atrocities was designed to kill and too many people have intentionally been killed with it.

Thank you for your insensitivity to this subject. I’m sure the survivors of the victims appreciate your efforts to “BAN-THE-BIC.â€