Allow trained and approved teachers to CCW

[LongLine]

4 Lawmen against 5 outlaws and 2 of them ran away in fear of the lawmen because of their proficiency with their hand guns and Doc Holliday's shotgun may have been the only advantage .

Sorry skipper: But according to the transcript of the investigation/hearing afterward only two of the cowboys were armed. Tom McLaury was killed but the nearest weapon to his body was in a horse scabbard nowhere near him. He had turned in his gun at some hotel like he had been ordered to. Ike Clanton & Billy Claiborne did run away but they were also unarmed. Frank McLaury & Billy Clanton were killed; were armed; and did all of the “cowboy†shooting. Holliday, Morgan & Virgil were all wounded. Holliday did empty his shotgun into Tom McLaury at close range but then threw it away & pulled out his revolver. (TM had one 4†diameter wound in chest.) 2 out of 3 witnesses said Holliday fired the 1st shot. Interesting fact is that Virgil was the US marshal. Wyatt & Doc were sworn in as deputies just for this incident.

a miss with a 50 caliber is the same as a miss with the 22 caliber

1 – that .22 caliber miss won’t go thru a brick wall and kill someone on the other side of it. 2 - A hit is a he[[ of a lot different.

I agree the media glorifies things way too much. We have been raised on roughly 18 movies about the OK Corral, each glamorizing the lawmen. Wouldn’t have made nearly as much money if they had told the truth. Funny how our generation has been affected by it.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[Hookedup]

I have a problem with the folks that say assault rifles are the problem. First of all automatic weapons have been banned for years in most of the country . So instead of outlawing assault rifles they would be outlawing semi automatic rifles. Every job that I have had a since I was 18 I have carried and depended on a firearm. I am a firearms instructor as part of my job and used to be an armorer in the military. I would much rather take on the guy with a pistol and 2000 rounds with the tricked out AK in close quarters then the guy with a box of 00 10 gauge buck and a sawed off pump shotgun that his grandpa used to shoot ducks with. The assault rifles gets picked on because it looks scary and is probably the reason wack jobs pick it. I think you will see a ban on mags, and semi rifles but do not believe it will help the problem. God help us if a highly trained wack job walks into a mall or school with a single shot shotgun, then where will the next laws take us. As for school security it needs to be stepped up big time. Look at what stepped up security has done for state and federal buildings, but schools got left behind. All I know is I have three little girls in school and I pray every day that they are safe, and can't imagine what hell those parents are going threw.

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[skipper19]

Tom, thanks for the history update on the OK corral. My reference to the compared events of today against those of 1861 was based on an implied sameness of the current event. Facts of the gunfight in Tombstone, from Tuscon were apparently skewed to favor one side or the other in the two local newspapers that reported it and editorialized the event, The Nugget and The Tombstone Epitaph had conflicting accounts on the fight and favored one over the other in an effort to win approval of their respective constituants. Amazing how that aspect has not changed as of today. The Spicer hearings in court proved that media was biased even then.

Correct about the .22 and the brick. My reference was about proficiency and the mine is bigger than yours quote. In this reference, Yes the .50 would go to waste in an unskilled hand not to mention dangerous as most anything that requires the precise training for it. No, I was not suggesting armor piercing ammo for defense. Sub velocity fragment lead at close range is all that's needed...safely assessing beyond target, along with skillful shot placement.

I know this isn't the last debate, but I am not going to change anyone's mind about the fact of why some would find the firearm at fault in either case of outcome....good or bad. Sorry for perpetuating the discussion, it is one we can't have on the subject of firearms thanks to the media.

What time does the asteroid arrive on Friday? Problem solved.

Mark

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[Has Been]

There has been Sick bastards that get their rocks off hurting people since Jack the Ripper & before. Watch TV's Criminal Minds to see how bad it can get. Blame who-what you will but EVil has been around since the begining of time. I'm sure that the Video games & movies ,etc. don't help matters much. Easy acces to modern firearm makes this more a possibility. ( no ,I'm not for gun control)

I remember Duck & cover way back when for an attack by another country. Never thought we would have to worry about our own countrymen. Maybe the Anti American -class warfare has something to do with it also. SEems like we need a 911 to realize we are all on the same team.

Media is seeming to focus on the Mental illness thing as of late & pushing the gun debate aside a little ,as noticed by my wife.

[seasquirrel]

I am a teacher and I for one would love to "pack heat" on my person. Even more accessible. Always have at least one in my truck at all times. Those who know me wont be much suprised.

[Tall Tails]

I am a teacher and I for one would love to "pack heat" on my person. Even more accessible. Always have at least one in my truck at all times. Those who know me wont be much suprised.

Shocked it took you this long to respond to this thread!

[seasquirrel]

Yeah Brian, I been lurking and watching. LOL. I really dont have the answers but I do know that the majority of kids I see everyday are good kids. I teach in a small rural district which helps. However, every once in a while I have one that I could easily see doing something horrible. Some of these kids come to school with some serious baggage that we are not privy to. We usually find out later what their baggage is when they do something stupid. I still think the root of the majority of our problems with todays youth is the breakdown of the American household. I just cant believe tragedys like this happen. My heart and prayers go out to those families and the entire community.

[Chas0218]

Yeah Brian, I been lurking and watching. LOL. I really dont have the answers but I do know that the majority of kids I see everyday are good kids. I teach in a small rural district which helps. However, every once in a while I have one that I could easily see doing something horrible. Some of these kids come to school with some serious baggage that we are not privy to. We usually find out later what their baggage is when they do something stupid. I still think the root of the majority of our problems with todays youth is the breakdown of the American household. I just cant believe tragedys like this happen. My heart and prayers go out to those families and the entire community.

Right on man nice to see another teacher that feels the same way I do.

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[panfisher]

When the second amendment was penned guns were single shot and took a long time to load that shot. When the Gatling was made, that was meant for warfare, not personal protection or defense or deterrence. Downsizing of the Gatling capability (Uzi, Ars, and any and every semi and automatic), put this warfare capability into the hands of anybody. These days, anybody and any gun can do great and horrible damage to any living animal (we are animals). Guns were invented to make it really easy to kill another living animal. Not plants. Not inanimate objects (targets, clay pigeons, bottles, whatever). And with today's guns and ammo and capacities, one needs little or no skill to murder many. I personally would not feel good about knowing teachers are about with loaded concealed guns. It is just that mentality that drives some people in the urban areas of cities across America to pack guns; they are SCARED of getting shot by some other gang banger. Sounds like wild, wild west to me. With all of the guns around and readily available in our country, this ought to be one of the safest places on the planet. But the opposite is true. Oh, yeah.... it's just the wrong people have them...... Lost in the news last week was that in China, some jerk o'lantern tried to kill 22 kids in a school there. They were injured and survived, because the idiot could only get blades, not guns. Just as horrifying and messed up. But the kids are still with us...... Military trained or police persons out there would be insulted if everybody was packing. And police across the country agree that they would like to see fewer guns out there. I'm sorry. I just do not believe that not controlling the availability of auto and semi auto guns and mass damage sabots and high round clips make my world any safer. Yes, it did work (almost didn't) with nuclear weapons. But that was true warfare. Does anybody believe that the more nukes available in countries around the world would make the planet any safer? If you feel safer with knowing that anybody or everybody should or could be packing, you truly are not aware of the atmosphere that that creates. Nutballs and loose cannons are everywhere. U might be one yourself. I and anyone else can defend themselves or get away easier from someone wielding anything other than some kind of a gun. They were invented solely to make it easier to kill another animal. We are animals......

[seasquirrel]

How many murders occur via a kitchen knife? We need to register knives. Only registered weapons kill

[Tim Bromund]

panfisher, when the 2nd amendment was penned, the musket WAS the "Assault Rifle" of the day. No offense, but after seeing your ignorant rant above, I agree, YOU probably shouldn't have access to guns, but leave the rest of us out of it.

[Chas0218]

When the second amendment was penned guns were single shot and took a long time to load that shot. When the Gatling was made, that was meant for warfare, not personal protection or defense or deterrence. Downsizing of the Gatling capability (Uzi, Ars, and any and every semi and automatic), put this warfare capability into the hands of anybody. These days, anybody and any gun can do great and horrible damage to any living animal (we are animals). Guns were invented to make it really easy to kill another living animal. Not plants. Not inanimate objects (targets, clay pigeons, bottles, whatever). And with today's guns and ammo and capacities, one needs little or no skill to murder many. I personally would not feel good about knowing teachers are about with loaded concealed guns. It is just that mentality that drives some people in the urban areas of cities across America to pack guns; they are SCARED of getting shot by some other gang banger. Sounds like wild, wild west to me. With all of the guns around and readily available in our country, this ought to be one of the safest places on the planet. But the opposite is true. Oh, yeah.... it's just the wrong people have them...... Lost in the news last week was that in China, some jerk o'lantern tried to kill 22 kids in a school there. They were injured and survived, because the idiot could only get blades, not guns. Just as horrifying and messed up. But the kids are still with us...... Military trained or police persons out there would be insulted if everybody was packing. And police across the country agree that they would like to see fewer guns out there. I'm sorry. I just do not believe that not controlling the availability of auto and semi auto guns and mass damage sabots and high round clips make my world any safer. Yes, it did work (almost didn't) with nuclear weapons. But that was true warfare. Does anybody believe that the more nukes available in countries around the world would make the planet any safer? If you feel safer with knowing that anybody or everybody should or could be packing, you truly are not aware of the atmosphere that that creates. Nutballs and loose cannons are everywhere. U might be one yourself. I and anyone else can defend themselves or get away easier from someone wielding anything other than some kind of a gun. They were invented solely to make it easier to kill another animal. We are animals......

Most everyone can carry a concealed firearm Legally unless 1 they are a felon or 2 do not have a permit to allow this. You could be walking through the super market and the women in front of you could have a pistol in her purse and you wouldn't know it. I don't think the law enforcement or service men and women would feel insulted by allowing the public to own guns that is just asinine. All of the law enforcement officials I have ever talked to are wary of the person that isn't allowed to carry concealed and not the upstanding citizen that owns 5 AR-15s or 20 pistols. Personally I own assault style rifles and pistols but people need to realize that just because I own them it doesn't mean I am planning on shooting people with them.

[Paul Czarnecki]

When the second amendment was penned guns were single shot and took a long time to load that shot. When the Gatling was made, that was meant for warfare, not personal protection or defense or deterrence. Downsizing of the Gatling capability (Uzi, Ars, and any and every semi and automatic), put this warfare capability into the hands of anybody. These days, anybody and any gun can do great and horrible damage to any living animal (we are animals). Guns were invented to make it really easy to kill another living animal. Not plants. Not inanimate objects (targets, clay pigeons, bottles, whatever). And with today's guns and ammo and capacities, one needs little or no skill to murder many. I personally would not feel good about knowing teachers are about with loaded concealed guns. It is just that mentality that drives some people in the urban areas of cities across America to pack guns; they are SCARED of getting shot by some other gang banger. Sounds like wild, wild west to me. With all of the guns around and readily available in our country, this ought to be one of the safest places on the planet. But the opposite is true. Oh, yeah.... it's just the wrong people have them...... Lost in the news last week was that in China, some jerk o'lantern tried to kill 22 kids in a school there. They were injured and survived, because the idiot could only get blades, not guns. Just as horrifying and messed up. But the kids are still with us...... Military trained or police persons out there would be insulted if everybody was packing. And police across the country agree that they would like to see fewer guns out there. I'm sorry. I just do not believe that not controlling the availability of auto and semi auto guns and mass damage sabots and high round clips make my world any safer. Yes, it did work (almost didn't) with nuclear weapons. But that was true warfare. Does anybody believe that the more nukes available in countries around the world would make the planet any safer? If you feel safer with knowing that anybody or everybody should or could be packing, you truly are not aware of the atmosphere that that creates. Nutballs and loose cannons are everywhere. U might be one yourself. I and anyone else can defend themselves or get away easier from someone wielding anything other than some kind of a gun. They were invented solely to make it easier to kill another animal. We are animals......

Sounds like the perfect blueprint for Socialism or, as you put it with your China comment, Communism. Perhaps you should look for a spot in Odama's entourage----comrade!

[skipper19]

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A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 21 dead and some 90 injured. Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents. [1]

Since the recent spate of attacks, many parents are now worried about their children's safety in schools and have since asked local officials and school governors to step up security at the schools. The education ministry has formed an emergency panel to tackle the violence and some local police authorities have distributed such instruments as steel pitchforks and pepper spray to security guards in schools. However not all schools increased their security because of lack of funds to hire extra security. The state media has also been keeping news of these attacks quiet by deleting forum entries on the internet and releasing few facts on the incident for fear of copycat crimes and mass panic. In May 2010 Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao commented on the school attacks and said that the 'social tensions' in China must be addressed. He also said society was changing rapidly and that subsequent changes in policy were needed. Why these attacks have been specifically targeted at young school children is not entirely explicable, however. [

Apparently, not all the children survived DOZENS OF ATTACKS IN THE PAST TWO YEARS...

Response:...Arm the school with pitchforks and shovels...sounds like long range defense farm tools in the hands of proficient farmers to me. Hope it works for them. Don't the Chinese know martial arts ...?

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[Tall Tails]

When the second amendment was penned guns were single shot and took a long time to load that shot. When the Gatling was made, that was meant for warfare, not personal protection or defense or deterrence. Downsizing of the Gatling capability (Uzi, Ars, and any and every semi and automatic), put this warfare capability into the hands of anybody. These days, anybody and any gun can do great and horrible damage to any living animal (we are animals). Guns were invented to make it really easy to kill another living animal. Not plants. Not inanimate objects (targets, clay pigeons, bottles, whatever). And with today's guns and ammo and capacities, one needs little or no skill to murder many. I personally would not feel good about knowing teachers are about with loaded concealed guns. It is just that mentality that drives some people in the urban areas of cities across America to pack guns; they are SCARED of getting shot by some other gang banger. Sounds like wild, wild west to me. With all of the guns around and readily available in our country, this ought to be one of the safest places on the planet. But the opposite is true. Oh, yeah.... it's just the wrong people have them...... Lost in the news last week was that in China, some jerk o'lantern tried to kill 22 kids in a school there. They were injured and survived, because the idiot could only get blades, not guns. Just as horrifying and messed up. But the kids are still with us...... Military trained or police persons out there would be insulted if everybody was packing. And police across the country agree that they would like to see fewer guns out there. I'm sorry. I just do not believe that not controlling the availability of auto and semi auto guns and mass damage sabots and high round clips make my world any safer. Yes, it did work (almost didn't) with nuclear weapons. But that was true warfare. Does anybody believe that the more nukes available in countries around the world would make the planet any safer? If you feel safer with knowing that anybody or everybody should or could be packing, you truly are not aware of the atmosphere that that creates. Nutballs and loose cannons are everywhere. U might be one yourself. I and anyone else can defend themselves or get away easier from someone wielding anything other than some kind of a gun. They were invented solely to make it easier to kill another animal. We are animals......

In regards to your police comment..I havent met one yet who would agree with you. Your liberal media has told you that police would like this and Politically driven police Associations would have you believe this but it is in fact untrue. Just ask one! As far as the rest of your spew just liberal garbage you are getting on the comedy channel (MSNBC).

[Patriot]

Arming teachers is a great idea. In addition to armed security in every school in the nation. Teachers are human and can become unbalanced but that will become obvious to many people before anything crazy happens.

Deterrents have to be put in place and that is a good one. Security doors are just not enough.

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My thoughts exactly. Put armed security in the schools. Most Gov. buildings have armed guards, why not schools.

Its not going to get any better if something like this isn't done because sometimes its hard to tell which people are mentally on the edge.

[Patriot]

If the United States constitution didn’t have the 2A in place, I believe this country would be named New England.

What country would be dumb enough to invade a country where MOST households have guns. Believe it or not, that's why the 2A was put in place.

Armed guards is the future. Watch and see!

[Patriot]

When the second amendment was penned guns were single shot and took a long time to load that shot. When the Gatling was made, that was meant for warfare, not personal protection or defense or deterrence. Downsizing of the Gatling capability (Uzi, Ars, and any and every semi and automatic), put this warfare capability into the hands of anybody. These days, anybody and any gun can do great and horrible damage to any living animal (we are animals). Guns were invented to make it really easy to kill another living animal. Not plants. Not inanimate objects (targets, clay pigeons, bottles, whatever). And with today's guns and ammo and capacities, one needs little or no skill to murder many. I personally would not feel good about knowing teachers are about with loaded concealed guns. It is just that mentality that drives some people in the urban areas of cities across America to pack guns; they are SCARED of getting shot by some other gang banger. Sounds like wild, wild west to me. With all of the guns around and readily available in our country, this ought to be one of the safest places on the planet. But the opposite is true. Oh, yeah.... it's just the wrong people have them...... Lost in the news last week was that in China, some jerk o'lantern tried to kill 22 kids in a school there. They were injured and survived, because the idiot could only get blades, not guns. Just as horrifying and messed up. But the kids are still with us...... Military trained or police persons out there would be insulted if everybody was packing. And police across the country agree that they would like to see fewer guns out there. I'm sorry. I just do not believe that not controlling the availability of auto and semi auto guns and mass damage sabots and high round clips make my world any safer. Yes, it did work (almost didn't) with nuclear weapons. But that was true warfare. Does anybody believe that the more nukes available in countries around the world would make the planet any safer? If you feel safer with knowing that anybody or everybody should or could be packing, you truly are not aware of the atmosphere that that creates. Nutballs and loose cannons are everywhere. U might be one yourself. I and anyone else can defend themselves or get away easier from someone wielding anything other than some kind of a gun. They were invented solely to make it easier to kill another animal. We are animals......

Auto firing/loading guns are illegal and not available to the general public.

[LongLine]

If the United States constitution didn’t have the 2A in place, I believe this country would be named New England. What country would be dumb enough to invade a country where MOST households have guns. Believe it or not, that's why the 2A was put in place.

Being invaded today by another country’s armed troops is a real stretch. Look at your geography. Kind of hard for any flotilla not being detected well in advance. Ever hear of satellites, submarines, missiles, fighter airplanes, drones…? That army would have to come through an awful lot before it’d invade your town. I guess that leaves Canada and Mexico. Mexico would have to come through Texas so I guess that only leaves Canada. (And maybe aliens)

Interestingly, I looked up the history of ratification. Here’s what I found: (Article II is also known as the second amendment.)

New Jersey:November 20, 1789; rejected article II

Maryland:December 19, 1789; approved all

North Carolina:December 22, 1789; approved all

South Carolina: January 19, 1790; approved all

New Hampshire: January 25, 1790; rejected article II

Delaware: January 28, 1790; rejected article I

New York: February 27, 1790; rejected article II

Pennsylvania: March 10, 1790; rejected article II

Rhode Island: June 7, 1790; rejected article II

Vermont: November 3, 1791; approved all

Virginia: December 15, 1791; approved all

http://constitution.laws.com/2nd-amendment . Funny that the states where the major portion of the Revolutionary War fighting occurred rejected the 2nd. (Vermont being the exception) Not listed were Mass & Conn. (They did ratify it) However Mass is generally recognized as having the toughest gun laws today followed by California & NJ.

Yes it is true that our ancestors were very concerned with defense of the nation. Most people didn’t trust standing armies (such as the British had) and certainly didn’t want another standing army formed under the new government. However you also had to realize where the Continental Army and the state militias got their guns. Volunteers had to bring their own. Remembering 8th grade American history, the government didn’t have money to supply them. The government also didn’t supply uniforms and in many cases even food, much less the boats for George to cross that river in.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[panfisher]

Because one feels LESS safe knowing that other people around are packing and disagrees with the practice, make them a communist, socialist, msnbc watcher, is totally anti gun, unpatriotic, a "liberal," yadda...yadda...yadda.? Besides owning guns in the past, for hunting and target practice (all fun), I pay taxes to support a strong military and competent police. If one feels the answer to the horrible occurrences at Sandy Hook school is teachers packing concealed weapons, I believe you have no idea of what it is to kill another human being, both spiritually and mentally. Many people I know have collections of guns; some know well how to use them. Am a pretty good shot myself, both with stationary and moving targets. And with more than firearms. But here is my point. I do not like the idea of teachers, who already have way too much to do, if they are good at it, carrying concealed weapons for deterrence in our schools. Yes, a somewhat youthful fantasy of saving the innocent with "guns of the good and right" and being a vigilant do-gooder may appeal to many. Many are attracted to the call of battle; it always has been a strong part of the human psyche. Kill or be killed. The wild west. Violence in many poor urban neighborhoods. Gangland murder.... Just do not think armed teachers is the way to go.... Would rather see dedicated armed security, police or otherwise on site. PLUS a reduction and monitoring of the hugely unnecessary high power weaponry available to anybody, anywhere, today. Would much rather not to have any of this. I know what it is like to shoot some high powered guns. It always amazes me to think of why, other than personal insecurity, would anybody get a big thrill of using these in a life or death situation (other than out and out war). Unless they felt some powerful feeling of "nobody will mess with me or mine." That is the insecurity I do not want to proliferate and cultivate in schools. Do get off on the thrill of the power. To me, it's the same as with the sound of powerful dragsters (top fuel please). Or a Space Shuttle (or any other big rocket) launch. Or powerful engines of military jet aircraft (F-22 or my fav F-16). But, with the maniac(s) who came into this and other schools (or anywhere) to deal murderous harm, contemplating harm to others is made stupidly simple with the ease of availability of ridiculously high powered armaments. Having guns around in school is not a comforting thought at all. Been there. Felt that...... BTW, these thoughts are for all of us directly and indirectly hurt and harmed and shuttered by the events of 12/15/12.....everyone. We all must help find the answers to reducing and stopping this kind of stuff.

[LongLine]

Your liberal media has told you that police would like this and Politically driven police Associations would have you believe this but it is in fact untrue. Just ask one!

Is that why the Police Dept runs a gun "turn in" program every year? Or why if an officer stops your vehicle and you have a gun (even in the trunk) that you must inform him?

Google "gun turn in programs" & look at all the places that have them - Chicago, Philly, Tampa, Jacksonville, NY, LA........... the list goes on.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[Tall Tails]

Your liberal media has told you that police would like this and Politically driven police Associations would have you believe this but it is in fact untrue. Just ask one!

Is that why the Police Dept runs a gun "turn in" program every year? Or why if an officer stops your vehicle and you have a gun (even in the trunk) that you must inform him?

Google "gun turn in programs" & look at all the places that have them - Chicago, Philly, Tampa, Jacksonville, NY, LA........... the list goes on.

Of course they have gun buy back programs. Who else would run them for the local governments. Those programs are some of the biggest waste of tax payer dollars there is. I have friends who have taken guns in that dont even function anymore and get 50.00 or 100.00 dollars for a non functioning gun. Then these same individuals chuckle all the way to the bank.

[Tim Bromund]

Your liberal media has told you that police would like this and Politically driven police Associations would have you believe this but it is in fact untrue. Just ask one!

Is that why the Police Dept runs a gun "turn in" program every year? Or why if an officer stops your vehicle and you have a gun (even in the trunk) that you must inform him?

Google "gun turn in programs" & look at all the places that have them - Chicago, Philly, Tampa, Jacksonville, NY, LA........... the list goes on.

Tom B.

(LongLine)

So called "gun buy back programs" are meaningless feel good exercises. All they really accomplish is they give people the opportunity to get a couple bucks for otherwise worthless non functional pieces of crap. Buffalo has a couple every year and they are a freaking joke.

Just because a copper asks if your carrying during a traffic stop, doesn't by any stretch mean they don't approve of private gun ownership, it's a simple precaution in a potentially escalate-able situation.

[Tim Bromund]

Because one feels LESS safe knowing that other people around are packing and disagrees with the practice, make them a communist, socialist, msnbc watcher, is totally anti gun, unpatriotic, a "liberal," yadda...yadda...yadda.? Besides owning guns in the past, for hunting and target practice (all fun), I pay taxes to support a strong military and competent police. If one feels the answer to the horrible occurrences at Sandy Hook school is teachers packing concealed weapons, I believe you have no idea of what it is to kill another human being, both spiritually and mentally. Many people I know have collections of guns; some know well how to use them. Am a pretty good shot myself, both with stationary and moving targets. And with more than firearms. But here is my point. I do not like the idea of teachers, who already have way too much to do, if they are good at it, carrying concealed weapons for deterrence in our schools. Yes, a somewhat youthful fantasy of saving the innocent with "guns of the good and right" and being a vigilant do-gooder may appeal to many. Many are attracted to the call of battle; it always has been a strong part of the human psyche. Kill or be killed. The wild west. Violence in many poor urban neighborhoods. Gangland murder.... Just do not think armed teachers is the way to go.... Would rather see dedicated armed security, police or otherwise on site. PLUS a reduction and monitoring of the hugely unnecessary high power weaponry available to anybody, anywhere, today. Would much rather not to have any of this. I know what it is like to shoot some high powered guns. It always amazes me to think of why, other than personal insecurity, would anybody get a big thrill of using these in a life or death situation (other than out and out war). Unless they felt some powerful feeling of "nobody will mess with me or mine." That is the insecurity I do not want to proliferate and cultivate in schools. Do get off on the thrill of the power. To me, it's the same as with the sound of powerful dragsters (top fuel please). Or a Space Shuttle (or any other big rocket) launch. Or powerful engines of military jet aircraft (F-22 or my fav F-16). But, with the maniac(s) who came into this and other schools (or anywhere) to deal murderous harm, contemplating harm to others is made stupidly simple with the ease of availability of ridiculously high powered armaments. Having guns around in school is not a comforting thought at all. Been there. Felt that...... BTW, these thoughts are for all of us directly and indirectly hurt and harmed and shuttered by the events of 12/15/12.....everyone. We all must help find the answers to reducing and stopping this kind of stuff.

Just because you "feel" less safe, doesn't mean you ARE less safe. Your irrational fears have no bearing on anyone else rights. Could this rant be any more filled with meaningless cliche's? Holy crap.

[LongLine]

Yep – totally fruitless.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/23/ ... n-turn-in/

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/203757 ... ds-of-guns

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/1 ... 15105.html

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-1 ... -gift-card

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-new ... source=rss

Even Dallas did it a couple years ago:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas ... earms.html

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Your irrational fears have no bearing on anyone else rights.

I feel so much safer & happier knowing that so many middle age & older citizen households have guns and are ready and able to defend our country against the US government and its standing army. You know, these older people who had their backgrounds checked years & years ago and in the last few years have experienced stresses such as job losses, housing foreclosures, lost kin, divorces, changes in health, etc. If you feel so much more secure with guns in your household, more power to you – God bless you. Hopefully you have them stored properly so your kids don't mess with them.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/Self- ... -1993.aspx

I wonder how many actually served in the “shooting†military. Gun owners I know never had a deer shoot back at them. But hey, everybody’s a quarterback on Sunday and knows what play to call, although only a few know what it’s like to be caught in the pocket by a 280Lb tackler.

BTW the automatic weapon ban expired in 2004 & hasn’t been re-enacted.

Well here’s some breaking news – NRA calls for armed security at all schools. Hey what about shopping malls? Theatres? Festivals? How big of a gun do we give them – they’ll probably always be out gunned & claiming they don’t have enough firepower. (like the Police did) Hopefully he'll be wired so he can call for backup. How does one security officer cover all entrances/exits? Even putting metal detectors in schools was controversial.