Caledonia Hatchery

[reelxite]

There has been a move underway from a stakeholders committee to re-install the Caledonia hatchery as a tool in the management of Chinook Salmon in NY State. The DEC is ignoring our latest communication on this matter. I have posted our original letter, their response and our rebuttal. The latest communication from Steve Lapan has been they have nothing more to say. Juts like our Governor ignoring the people. This is also great way to promote the governors fishing and hunting innovative . We have published these communications hoping for feedback and support from the stakeholder community.

Nov. 14, 2013

 

Mr. Steve LaPan

Great Lakes Supervisor

DEC Lake Ontario Unit

Cape Vincent, NY

 

CC: Senator George Maziarz

 

Re: Proposed addition of Caledonia Hatchery as a resource for Chinook Salmon Management in NYS

 

Dear Steve,

           

Caledonia State Fish Hatchery, located on Spring Creek in Caledonia, NY, was founded by Seth Green as the first fish culture facility in the country to help support the management of cold-water fish species (trout) in NY State. Spring Creek was determined to have optimal temperature qualities year round to support cold water fisheries culture management and successfully has for almost 150 years. Because of these qualities, when Chinook Salmon were first introduced to Lake Ontario, it made good sense to use this facility to support this project with great success over the years. With the discovery of VHS (Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia) in 2005 in the Lake Ontario watershed, to prevent the possible spread of this disease to this facility, eggs from the Salmon River hatchery were no longer brought to this facility for rearing starting in 2006. It is believed that the loss of this facility as a resource to support the Chinook salmon fishery has had a detrimental effect on both lake and stream angler success from mid summer on in the Western Basin of Lake Ontario. A Chinook salmon returns to where they were born at the end of their life cycle to spawn and die. Early in their life, the Salmon "imprint" on the chemical composition of the waters where they are to return at maturity to complete their life cycle. The use the Caledonia facility promotes a higher level of imprinting to the western tributaries due to its location in the western drainage basin. Chinook Salmon are the premier fish that anglers across the country come to Lake Ontario to fish for and drive the Western Basin fishery related tourism dollars. Based on a 2010 Niagara County study conducted by Niagara University, the annual economic impact of sportfishing is in excess of $30 million in this county alone!  We therefore have continually requested that this facility again be utilized to support the Chinook salmon fishery with little success or cooperation from the DEC.

 

The following statements support why this facility should again be utilized for the support of the Chinook salmon fishery in Lake Ontario:

 

Over the past several years the coldwater fishery-stocking program has experienced more than its fair share of problems, both within the facilities and also from outside factors, which resulted in, reduced stocking levels. DEC has missed the target stocking numbers for Chinook salmon three out of the past five years. The Salmon River Fish Hatchery at Altmar has always had, and continues to have, water temperature issues with drastic temperature swings from mid-summer highs to mid winter lows which prove difficult in the management of the fish in this system. However, through the years, there have been a number of attempts to resolve this issue – including the current project supported financially by the Occidental NRD (natural resource damages) award, which has over $2 million allocated for this project. The problem still remains. Of the 10,000 gallons/minute needed to supply this facility, less the 10% of it is of optimum temperate quality year round for the fish species in this facility. With excessively cold water in the system during the winter months, it has made it difficult for this facility to deliver Chinook salmon as fingerlings to the intended stocking waters in the Western Basin of Lake Ontario in a timely fashion each spring. The more temperate waters of Caledonia Hatchery would provide for a more timely delivery along with a shorter travel distance to the delivery sites.

 

It is bad management practice to have all of our resources (fish and eggs) in one facility.  If there is an outbreak of disease, it would be fatally detrimental to the program.

 

The strain of VHS currently present in LO has only been detected in warm water fish species. There has been no issue of infection in cold-water species (salmon or trout).

 

The Erie Canal receives its water from Lake Erie, which is a known source of VHS-positive water. With the Erie Canal being filled with VHS-positive water from Lake Erie, Caledonia Hatchery is already at risk to possible VHS contamination due to its connection to the Erie Canal through the Genesee River, which connects to Oatka Creek and then to Spring Creek

 

Salmon River Fish Hatchery is treated as two separate facilities, one as a collection facility and one as a rearing facility. To prevent the possible spread of disease from one to the other, a disinfectant process was put in place in the collection facility – thus keeping the rearing facility free of the virus. This treatment process would also be effective in the transportation of eggs from Salmon River to Caledonia, keeping Caledonia free of the virus due to egg movement.

 

Currently it is common practice to move eggs and fingerlings from one facility to another. A current example is the movement of both brown trout eggs and fingerlings from the Randolph hatchery to both Caledonia and Rome hatcheries.

 

Caledonia receives its fingerling brown trout from Randolph hatchery in late March; the delivery of Chinook fingerlings to Lake Ontario from Caledonia would occur in early April. Randolph’s trucks are on the road from March through May. Rescheduling of the delivery of brown trout to Caledonia could be shifted with little effect on the overall system.

 

Caledonia as a resource to raise Chinook salmon for stocking in the Western Basin of Lake Ontario has always had a positive influence on the success of the stakeholders of this sporting community. We hope that through your efforts and support that it will again. We hope that you will join with the stakeholders in requesting that the DEC again use this facility to support this program.

Sincerely,

Capt. Robert Songin President, Lake Ontario Sportfishing Stakeholders Coalition

Mike Waterhouse Orleans County Tourism            Bill Hilts Niagara County Tourism

Capt. Bob Cinelli Hotline Charters                         Capt. Vince Pierleoni Thrillseeker Charters

Capt. Dan Evans Lone Wolf Charters                   Capt. Jerry Felluca Rebel Charters

Capt. Rob Westcott Legacy Charters                    Joe Yeager President LOTSA

Capt Sam Zucco Dream Catcher Charters/Genesee Charter Boat Association

 

Read next post the DEC response:

 

 

DEC. 23, 2013

 

Steven R. LaPan
Section Head, Great Lakes Fisheries
NYSDEC Bureau of Fisheries
Cape Vincent Fisheries Station
P.O. Box 292, Cape Vincent, NY 13618

 

CC: Senator George Maziarz

 

Rebuttal to your response of  Nov 19, 2013 our letter dated Nov 14, 2013 for the Proposed addition of Caledonia Hatchery as a resource for Chinook Salmon Management in NYS

 

Dear Mr. LaPan

 

After reading your response we don’t agree with your assessment that inclusion of Caledonia, as a site to raise Chinooks would open up the Hatchery system to more risk than already exists. Raising Chinooks at this site would eliminate the largest risks we face, that of losing the entire Lake Ontario stocking of Chinooks due to a disease outbreak at the single rearing site “Salmon River Hatcheryâ€. An event of this kind would devastate the Lake Ontario fishery and the annual revenue it generates throughout that community. Raising Chinooks at Caledonia would mitigate such an event.

 

We appreciate your efforts to protect the hatchery system and the fish stocked in NYS waters against diseases that could possibly contaminant other water systems with in the state. But as you stated no system is risk free of possible contamination.

VHS has already been detected in a number of inland bodies of water within the state; it is most likely present in many more and yet undetected. The Erie Canal system along with the many other canal systems within the state provide for a pathway for possible contamination. I am sure there will be no movement to shut these canal systems down, to protect these waters from these pathogens.

 

Infectious Pancreatic Necrosis (IPNV) is also a risk to many bodies of waters, with many sources, of which two are;

• The virus can be transported and excreted by fish-eating birds and mammals
• By contact through water routes and by ingestion of infected material.

Unless we can stop birds from eating fish and excreting into any body water they fly over and as stated before, shutting down of the state canal system, bodies of water and like wise hatcheries within the state will always be at risk to IPNV.

Though Chinook Salmon have been known to be susceptible to Bacterial Kidney Disease (BKD) to this date it has not been detected in this species. Your response to our first letter supports this, stating that it has only been detected in “Wild Steelhead†not the hatchery-raised strain. It has also been communicated to me that most if not all of the wild Chinook salmon do not enter the hatchery system at Salmon River Hatchery (SRH) they remain in the river itself.

History proves that Chinook salmon can be successfully raised in the Caledonia Hatchery system and this has been accomplished twice in the past. The second time being halted by the discovery of VHS in Lake Ontario.

Sighted in a study titled “Comparative susceptibility of representative Great Lakes fish species to the North American viral hemorrhagic septicemia virus Sublineage IVb" by Robert Kim and Mohamed Faisal. This study showed that cool water fish species (Bass, Yellow perch ex.) were far more susceptible to the virus than cold-water species (Chinook, Coho ex.). Chinook Salmon had to be injected with far higher levels of the virus to cause high levels of fish mortality. It is questionable weather these levels even exist in the open lake environment of Lake Ontario to infect this species. As stated in my first communication VHS has not been detected at the SRH Chinook in all of the years since it has been identified in the lake. Even though the egg sanitation process used at SRH on newly collected eggs does not guarantee internal egg virus decontamination it has proved successful for external use. As stated earlier, to date there has been no positive VHS identification in Chinook at the SRH.

As the program manager of the Oak Orchard Pen Rearing project, I am highly knowledgeable of the study performed between 1999-2002 on the contribution of this project to the fishery at Oak Orchard and must disagree with your assessment. This study was performed on three groups of stocked Chinook. Group 1; pen reared Salmon River Hatchery (SHR) fingerlings, Group 2; direct stocked Caledonia fingerlings and Group 3; direct stocked Salmon River Hatchery (SRH) fingerlings. The results of this study found that the Pen reared SR fingerlings out performed the other two groups but Caledonia fingerling far out performed the direct stocked SR fingerlings and were not statistically far behind the SR pen reared fish. The next logical step in this process would have been to evaluate pen reared SRH and pen reared Caledonia strains of Chinook at Oak Orchard, which never happen.

We do agree with your statement that “Chinook Salmon are capable of imprinting to the waters where they are stocked providing the stocking occurs prior to the stage where the young salmon undergoes the smolting process†and they are stocked in a timely manner where good temperatures allow the fingerlings to remain in the tributary long enough to smolt. Our belief is that due to the water issues at Salmon River Hatchery this is not happening on a consistent basis with-in your current management practices.

As stated in the study “2003 Interim Evaluations of Pen-Reared Steelhead and Chinook Salmon†by D.L. Bishop, M.J. Sanderson, M.A. Wilkinson. “Caledonia-reared Chinook grow faster than those at Salmon River Hatchery due to warmer water temperature, and must be stocked earlier than Salmon River fish to avoid smolting in the hatchery.†“Caledonia fish may have an advantage at sites like Oak Orchard which warm more rapidly in the springâ€.  This would also include sites like 18 Mile Creek, Sandy Creek and the Genesee River to name a few. 

Salmon Rivers colder water temperatures during the winter months retard the growth rate of the fingerlings to be stocked in these faster warming tributaries causing later deliveries to these sites. These latter deliveries have an impact on project success by limiting the time the fingerlings can be held in the pens and also by the warmer temperatures in which we must hold them. Even at times causing the cancellation of part or the entire project at some sites. Holding these fish later could also be causing a higher mortality after release.

As for the harvest results the data does in fact show higher rates of Chinook salmon catch and harvest over the past 11 consecutive years, but that can be attributed more to the advent of modern communications and increased angler skill than an increase in angler opportunity. Modern communications, including both the Internet and cell phones helps keep anglers more informed with where the fish are and techniques to catch them than ever before in history.

Also trough the use of the new tagging/marking trailer acquired by monies from the Occidental NRD award it is becoming evident that 50% or more of the fish harvested in the open lake are naturally reproduced and the lions share of these natural fish have been determined to come from the Salmon River along with the over 360,00 fish stocked in the Salmon River from the hatchery. These fish returning there in the late summer and early fall, limits the angler opportunities from the Niagara River to Genesee River (the western basin) at this time of the year. Fish raised and stocked from the Caledonia hatchery would help eliminate this problem since they would not move east in the late summer and early fall.

So again we request that the Caledonia Hatchery be placed back on line as a source for the rearing and stocking of Chinook Salmon in the Western basin of Lake Ontario to help resolve these many issues.

 

Sincerely,

Capt. Robert Songin President, Lake Ontario Sportfishing Stakeholders Coalition

Mike Waterhouse Orleans County Tourism       Bill Hilts Niagara County Tourism

Capt. Bob Cinelli Hotline Charters                     Capt. Vince Pierleoni Thrillseeker Charters

Capt. Dan Evans Lone Wolf Charters               Capt. Jerry Felluca Rebel Charters

Capt. Rob Westcott Legacy Charters               Joe Yeager President LOTSA

Capt Sam Zucco Dream Catcher Charters/Genesee Charter Boat Association

Edited January 18, 2014 by reelxite

[reelxite]

The DEC letter to us did not publish so I have attached it to this post. Please read this letter after our first communincation with the DEC then our rebuttal last.

 

Thanks

Bob Songin

Response_Caledonia_Chinook_proposal_1120132.pdf

Edited January 18, 2014 by reelxite

[jimski2]

Yes when the Kodak and other industrial jobs return.

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[Capt Vince Pierleoni]

This is a no brainer if you are truly looking out for the "Golden Goose".  It makes little sense to rely on one source, located at one extreme end of the Lake. Not only is this dangerous from a "all the eggs in one basket" situation, it creates logistics problems for delivering to the west end and still complying with temp requirements for survival. 

The Lions share of the wild fish are coming from Eastern and North shore tribs, and of the number of planted fish that DO survive from the West, many return to the East as they came from that watershed.

Any way you cut it, Chinook should be reared in 2 locations, especially considering the revenue they provide through license sales pay for much more than what their costs are. 

What naysayers often overlook, the Chinook program has completely changed the face of the Lake Ontario ecosystem, even if you do not fish for them. With the Chinook somewhat controlling the burgeoning Alewife population, we have seen successful hatches of Lake Trout, Walleye, Yellow Perch, and Sturgeon.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Capt Vince Pierleoni

[Xxx]

Let's see from what I gather the Chinook salmon that are in the western part of Ontario are actually raised at the salmon river hatchery, which I took a tour of one year, totally fascinating, my eyes and ears were wide open the whole trip what a place. So they transport these fish all the way out there, when there is a hatchery out in the western part? and they won't use it because why? something about a virus, wouldn't it be cheaper and more successful for the fish, then they will be closer for the transport of the fish, do they always put them in pens to get acclimated to the waters.

[reelxite]

Approximately 50% of them are put in the pens on a normal year. Last year for example, Sandy Creek’s project was canceled because the fish were received to late. The water was to warm. If it was too warm to put them in the pens. Then it must be too warm to put them in the creek it self.   So potentially that’s100k kings, that may have died, do to late delivery. If not died, did not imprint to Sandy Creek a west end tributary.  Olcott put their fish in the pens, but had to release them early because of warm water temps. Oak Ochard and the Genesee held their fish long enough, but flirted with dangerously high temperatures. This again puts stress on the fingerlings. With the cold winter we are having this year we will again be receiving our salmon late. The water temperature issues not being solved at Altmar , will again slow the growth rate of the juvenile kings. In years past, there were times the fingerlings did not even get stocked in the tribs because of dangerously high temps they put them directly in the lake. The use of Caledonia Hatchery would solve this problem.

[rolmops]

What I understand from the DEC response is that they do not have a way to detect VHS and IPN in the salmon eggs. Knowing this,they do not want to take the risk of contaminating  the Caledonia Hatchery which is as yet without any of these problems. Yes it would be nice to have an added source of salmon fingerlings,but it would be terrible to contaminate Caledonia,its brown trout hatchery and its superb cold water trout fishery. I understand the desire to have an additional source, but as long as the DEC cannot detect these pathogens in the eggs, we should go for the DO NO HARM principle. When the DEC figures out a way to make sure that the eggs are clean, then by all means, bring them to Caledonia.

Edited January 20, 2014 by rolmops

[LongLine]

I have no problem with the notion of a second hatchery for Lake Ontario.  In fact I’m in favor of it.  It’ smart business to have two sources.  Fishing Big-O represents a lot of money to the state.

 

I’ve read through the DEC response, and my take/understanding is that the hatchery staff is leery of the potential to contaminate existing stocks that are destined for other areas of the state.  And secondary, the fishing in Big-O is pretty good, despite hatchery issues.

 

I looked up the state hatcheries to see what they raise and how much. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7742.html

 

Caledonia – 170K Lbs (Brown, Rainbow, Broodstock for NYS Browns)

Rome – 160K Lbs (Brook, Rainbow, Brown)

S.R. – 120K Lbs (Steelhead, Coho, Chinook)

Catskill – 115K Lbs (Brown)

Randolph – 100K Lbs (Brook, Brown, Rainbow)

Chateaugay – 90K Lbs (Lake, Brown, Rainbow, Brook)

Bath – 86K Lbs (Lake, Brown, Rainbow)

Adirondack – 30K Lbs (Atlantics)

VanHornesville – 30K Lbs (Rainbows)

South Otselic – 15K Lbs (Tigers, Walleye, Brook)

Oneida – 6K Lbs (Walleye, experimental)

Chautauqua – 3.3K Lbs (Musky, Walleye)

 

The gridlock, as I see it, is where the second source should be.  I can understand reluctance/resistance to put fish in Caledonia.  They raise a lot of fish for other parts of the state.  (I never knew it as that big an operation.)

 

I’m not a fishery Bio, but it seems to me maybe some research should be done into another site.  Yes, I know it takes expertise & money…& whatever, but the payback is there.  Jobs, License fees, income to the local areas, cost avoidance if the S.R. had a “disasterâ€, etc. 

 

In the years when Big-O stocking numbers were threatened, the DEC did a marvelous job scrambling/searching-out other hatcheries to make up the short fall. Can a reciprocity deal be made permanent?  I.e you raise 25K Lbs of ours & we’ll raise 25K of yours?

 

How about the private hatcheries?  There are many that the DEC licenses, monitors and certifies:   Some raise Coho.   http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/52348.html

 

I guess I’m suggesting that pressure/lobbying be done to get a “new†secondary source to supplement the S.R.  It’s the only way I see out of this impasse.

 

Tom B.

(LongLine)

 

 

[Gill-T]

Since the DEC is not going to open Caledonia to Kings any thoughts about putting more pens in along the Lewiston launch on the Niagara?  If the south shore is losing out on the natural reproduction returns due to warm September and October stream temps, any thoughts about trying to "engineer" the run timing to make it later in the fall when temps are better?  Perhaps selective stripping of late-run fish kept separate and used to stock south-shore streams? 

[Silver Fox]

What I understand from the DEC response is that they do not have a way to detect VHS and IPN in the salmon eggs. Knowing this,they do not want to take the risk of contaminating  the Caledonia Hatchery which is as yet without any of these problems. Yes it would be nice to have an added source of salmon fingerlings,but it would be terrible to contaminate Caledonia,its brown trout hatchery and its superb cold water trout fishery. I understand the desire to have an additional source, but as long as the DEC cannot detect these pathogens in the eggs, we should go for the DO NO HARM principle. When the DEC figures out a way to make sure that the eggs are clean, then by all means, bring them to Caledonia.

 

To my knowledge, someone correct me if I'm wrong, VHS is already in the erie canal system in which the Caledonia Hatchery is linked to one way or the other. Bring on the salmon!

[rolmops]

The hatchery is not connected to the Erie Canal system . It is spring fed (hence the constant temperatures). The springs are a few hundred yards upstream from the hatchery and because of a dam there is no passable down stream connection.

[reelxite]

There is no dam that separates the hatchery from the down stream waters.  The dam on the Genny is upstream of the Oatka and not all of Spring Creeks water flows through the hatchery, unless you can stop fish from swimming up stream. Spring creek will always be at risk since the canal does connect to the Genny.

We attempted to promote a hatchery and (would prefer that) on the Niagara River, re-licensing moneys from the power plant could have built it, but the DEC fought us. They did not even have to man it the FED's would have done it. The facility could have also been used for an educational center with the local universities. But again they fought it.

[rolmops]

The dam is right next to the hatchery. The water intake of the hatchery is upstream of the dam and the outlets are downstream out of pipes that are not in touch with the water. Unless a fish can jump into a pipe and swim upstream in the pipe and then go past the screens it cannot get into the hatchery. If you do a Google Earth search,you will see what I mean.

I much prefer the idea of an alternative site that does not endanger Caledonia. The Niagara river might be a good place,but another springfed hatchery much like Caledonia with all the same reasons why Caledonia is a great place would be a better choice. I can imagine a hatchery in Moravia in Fillmore Glenn which is well away from the Canal system and has steady temperatures.

Edited January 21, 2014 by rolmops

[jimski2]

Before a shovel was turned at salmon river, a water source supplying one hundred thousand gallons of water daily had to be proven. That is geothermal cool temperature annual water daily. Find this source first.

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[GAMBLER]

It would cost a lot less to modify Caledonia and make it 2 separate hatcheries so contamination would not occur. I would think the DEC would be all about saving money in fuel costs in fish delivery since the state only cares about saving money and not doing the right thing.

[reelxite]

As stated, we are all in favor of a second site and believe we can acquire the funding and manpower for it with little if no cost to the state. But the DEC continually fights us on the issue and we would need their approval to build it. The reason the hatchery was built at Altmar was due more to political pressure than resource availability.

Edited January 21, 2014 by reelxite

[Tim Bromund]

As stated, we are all in favor of a second site and believe we can acquire the funding and manpower for it with little if no cost to the state. But the DEC continually fights us on the issue and we would need their approval to build it. The reason the hatchery was built at Altmar was due more to political pressure than resource availability.

 

Oh come on Bob, I'm sure the fact that Senator Barkley and family owned all of that land on the SR had NOTHING to do with the location of that hatchery........

[Xxx]

I didn't see any of the private hatchery's that raise the Chinook salmon, so does this mean that all of lake Ontario relies on the Salmon River Hatchery? like someone posted earlier what would happen if something went bad at SRH, would Canada have any or what would happen, I can plainly see why people would want a back up hatchery or 2 hatchery's producing the Chinook salmon. People come from all over the country to fish this salmon, which brings a lot a money to the area, not to mention jobs if the open up the other hatchery. I understand not wanting to contaminate the hatchery but couldn't they isolate the Chinook eggs from the rest of the hatchery or isn't that easy?

[reelxite]

Yes, all of LO relies on SRH, it is illegal for private hatcheries to stock fish in state waters. If SRH has an issue we are without stocking for 3 years and that includes steelhead. It takes 3 years to re-verify that the hatchery is void of all viruses. Canada does not collect enough eggs or have the facilities to make up for our short fall if SRH has a problem. That is the whole goal to back up SRH and secure the fishery. Caledonia is the best option at this time. As stated in the letters, Salmon river is already treated as 2 separate facilities to prevent any diseases from entering the rearing facility. Moving the eggs to Caledonia would be no different. Everyone must remember that if something happen to SRH it will impact Chinook, Coho’s, Steelhead and Atlantics. I would believe that the stream steelhead and Atlantic guys would be screaming for a back up to. 
 

Edited January 21, 2014 by reelxite

[Xxx]

Yes, all of LO relies on SRH, it is illegal for private hatcheries to stock fish in state waters. If SRH has an issue we are without stocking for 3 years and that includes steelhead. It takes 3 years to re-verify that the hatchery is void of all viruses. Canada does not collect enough eggs or have the facilities to make up for our short fall if SRH has a problem. That is the whole goal to back up SRH and secure the fishery. Caledonia is the best option at this time. As stated in the letters, Salmon river is already treated as 2 separate facilities to prevent and diseases from entering the rearing facility. Moving the eggs to Caledonia would be no different. Everyone must remember that if something happen to SRH it will impact Chinook, Coho’s, Steelhead and Atlantics. I would believe that the stream steelhead and Atlantic guys would be screaming for a back up to. 

 

Thanks, for clarifying that for me. It seems ridiculous not to have a back up plan, for one of the most sought after fish in Lake Ontario.

[LongLine]

 

it is illegal for private hatcheries to stock fish in state waters.

.....Unless they have a permit issued by the NYSDEC.

 

Why does the water supply have to be spring fed?  Why can't it be Lake Ontario fed?  or Finger Lakes fed?  Don't all the hatcheries have to pump the water?  If memory serves me right, the SR had to replace some pumps a couple years ago.  What is the "magic" temperature? 

 

State couldn't tap into a "water authority" someplace, before their treatment?  How about private companies that pump water out of lakes for their own use? 

 

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[rolmops]

The DEC does allow private hatcheries do put their stock in the Lake Ontario tributaries.

The Riedman Powder Mills park hatchery has been releasing brown trout into Irondeqoit Creek  since forever and it is a privately owned not for profit hatchery run by a bunch of volunteers.

 

Springs are the preferred source  because they have a constant temperature and the water is not contaminated with viruses .

Edited January 22, 2014 by rolmops

[GAMBLER]

Rolmops you might be on to something. Why couldn't powder mill raise kings? Irondequoit creek supports trout all year in the creek. Could we raise $ to support the project?

[rolmops]

Rolmops you might be on to something. Why couldn't powder mill raise kings? Irondequoit creek supports trout all year in the creek. Could we raise $ to support the project?

It might be possible and it is not a new idea. The Credit River Hatchery in Missasauga is not for profit and run by volunteers. Working together with the Canadian counterpart of the DEC they produce lots of Steelhead and Atlantic salmon.

Come to think of it. I would go absolutely nuts if  Powdermills could do Atlantic or king salmon and we'd have an Atlantic Salmon run into Irondeqoit creek. I can see myself drooling at the thought.

Edited January 22, 2014 by rolmops

[reelxite]

The problem is not water volume it is water “Temperatureâ€. The pumps that were replaced at SRH were to reuse water that had been circulated through rearing house to the ponds outside. Stocking fish in the state It is illegal unless permitted and controlled by the DEC. Although the browns that are released from Powder Mills can go to the lake they are really intended for opportunities in the creek. The DEC is against anyone raising kings and stocking them in the lake because the feel they lose control. We have suggested this in the past with little success.

Guys, that is some great out of the box thinking now how do we convince the DEC to look into these opportunities. Raising other spices at the Powder Mill park hatchery would and could provide opportunities for all anglers. I am sure we will hear some excuse as to why they can’t do it, most likely space.

Edited January 22, 2014 by reelxite