This make me sick!

[dieselhp]

I just payed $4.05 a gal for diesel fuel, gas was at $3.05.

Why?

When diesel cost less to make.

Let’s lower the interest rate, yea that will help.

[seasquirrel]

Someone told me that the process of removing the sulfur from the diesel is what is driving the cost up over gas. Purely bullcrap I am sure. Try buying fuel in my area of good ole New York state. Hang on, because it is going to get much worse!

[dieselhp]

Yea that sulfur thing is BS.

Since they started that we have been selling 60-70 injectors a month because people are not putting additive in the fuel. Same thing happend in 1994, it was injection pumps then. The additive just adds to the total price per gal. But if you don't put it in you just pay $3000.00 for a injector job.

[USMC130FE]

$4.299 for diesel here for me!

[seasquirrel]

Dieselhp, sounds like you have lots of diesel experience. So.... I have been contemplating/looking at a ford excursion with a 7.3 diesel. Would you pass on a diesel motor now based on fuel cost in the p.i.t.a factor with maintenance with new diesel?

[dieselhp]

Seasquirrel,

If you need the diesel for towing power or want the big truck with the best MPG that is the engine to get. DO NOT buy a 6.0 L and the jury is still out on the new 6.4 L. I have customers with over 750,000 miles on that engine. The one thing you want to look at on that engine is the oil pan. A lot of problems with rust, if you clean off the rust and put POR 15 on it you can save it if it is not leaking. If it is leaking you have to pull the engine out to replace the oil pan. Some people will tell you that you don’t have to pull the engine. True if you want to cut and weld the engine cradle. Other then that you will have to put additive in the fuel every fill up. Great engine, I love mine except for the

$100.00 to fill it up, but I can pull my 12,500 lb RV up hill at 75 mph with no problem.

If you have any questions just let me know, I would be happy to help.

[seasquirrel]

Thanks for the info. I knew to stay away from the 6 liter diesel. I need a bigger vehicle than the Expedition and want better towing performance and fuel economy. Thanks for the tip on the oil pan, that is new to me. How much additive per tank and what is the cost of the additive?

[dieselhp]

Around $6.50 a bottle, the bottle does 100 gals. My truk has a programer in it. That gave me about 2 MPG. I get 21 mpg on the highway and 11 with the RV no matter where I go with it. NY to Texas it does not matter. I get 18-19 around here, back and forth to work.

[ERABBIT]

dieselhp

what is the best additive out there now. I'll be using it in my tractor 29hp New holland.

[dieselhp]

The only stuff we ues is Power Service. We use it because it works. White bottle in the winter and summer or you can use the silver bottle in the summer, save a few pennys. The difference between the white and silver is the silver does not protect for gelling. You can get it at Wallmart or Tractor supply.

If you are gelled up, but the engine will idle. Put in the red bottle (911) it called. Let the engine idle for an hour and you are good to go. I even use the 911 in my heating oil tank when temps are going to be around 0.

[motoman]

Seasquirrel,

If you need the diesel for towing power or want the big truck with the best MPG that is the engine to get. DO NOT buy a 6.0 L and the jury is still out on the new 6.4 L. I have customers with over 750,000 miles on that engine. The one thing you want to look at on that engine is the oil pan. A lot of problems with rust, if you clean off the rust and put POR 15 on it you can save it if it is not leaking. If it is leaking you have to pull the engine out to replace the oil pan. Some people will tell you that you don’t have to pull the engine. True if you want to cut and weld the engine cradle. Other then that you will have to put additive in the fuel every fill up. Great engine, I love mine except for the

$100.00 to fill it up, but I can pull my 12,500 lb RV up hill at 75 mph with no problem.

If you have any questions just let me know, I would be happy to help.

FYI You don"t have too pull the engine too replace the oil pan ! but you do have too lift the body and motor up about 6" i did a complete motor job on one and the new used motor leaked ,was like WTF , got lucky and got it out with out taking the motor back out .john

[dieselhp]

Seems to me lifting the body and fenders with rusty body mounts is more work then pulling the engine. You still have to at least remove the shroud, hoses, wire harness and probably the radiator and have something holding the engine and cab up. Not to mention there is no pan gasket. If you don’t get the sealer right it is going to leak on you. You just had the engine out, so you know it will come apart without breaking anything. I haven’t seen a Ford that the body mounts are all rusted, taking a chance removing those bolts.

[T_barb]

Dieselhp...

Is the additive suggested/required for of road vehicles as well (tractor, mower, etc..)?

[dieselhp]

If your engine is older then a 2007, I would put it in. In late 2006 the fuel was changed to ultra low sulfer fuel, even off road. So electrionic engines and pumped engine were not made for that fuel. Even if you put additive if your fuel you still can have problems, but most times it's just o-rings insted of pumps and injectors.

[Good Times Sportfishing]

dieselhp, went to Pulaski today by way of Oswego. Diesel prices between Fulton & Oswego 4.41 - Pulaski 4.31, 4.29, 4.28 Flying J Gibson, Pa went down to 4.15. Lets hope down continues thru summer.

[dieselhp]

I hope so, if it doesn't I don't know how many times I will go up. It cost me close to $100.00 each way last year. I think it was pushing $3.50 a gal in Pulaski.

What I don't get is the news is all over the stock market and the housing thing. How come I haven’t heard anyone in the presidential race mention fuel cost? This is the problem, think about it. I can’t spend money to go out to eat, get on a charter boat, go on vacation or even pay to get my lawn cut. I have to use the money to by gas, I have to go to work, so that is where the extra money goes. Its all down hill from there. You as a charter captain has to charge more, the landscaper needs to charge more or no matter what you do, you have to charge more. It’s not going to work, yet I hear nothing about that in the race for pres.

Sorry I just get PO’ed when I look at Exxon’s profit!

[Guest ReelDiel]

If your engine is older then a 2007, I would put it in. In late 2006 the fuel was changed to ultra low sulfur fuel, even off road. So electrionic engines and pumped engine were not made for that fuel. Even if you put additive if your fuel you still can have problems, but most times it's just o-rings insted of pumps and injectors.

Just a couple quick points....the new sulfur regs do make it more expensive to refine as it has to go thru another cracker to remove the sulfur and get it down to spec which is 15ppm. Most of the ULSD we ship is in the 5-6ppm range.

Second thing that drives the cost up is when the EPA enacted this all of the marketing terminals are now required to inject at there racks a lubricity agent,(which is quite expensive) reason being the sulfur was the agent prior to the new regs and with the sulfur so low, u lose this lubricity which obviosly can cause problems in engines.

Third thing is off road fuel is still High Sulfur being 500ppm. Then depending on your area there are 2 types of Kerosene Hi and Lo sulfur.

Jet fuel is also still Hi sulfur at over 500ppm.

Also as far as jelling I guess you would have to look into the fuel being used. The reason being is depending, through out the winter terminals change there blend rates to meet a certain spec so jelling does not occur. Normally in the Dec, Jan,Feb months it is a 80-20 blend of Diesel and Kero. Now if some one has straight product in a tank from Oct. and fills fleet vechiles on Dec. 1 and its -10 there could be a problem. Or if the delivering driver does not do the blend and delivers anyways you could have problems. Not to metion above ggound storage tanks and water in them. There are too many varibles here to list, but a fuel analysis is your best bet. As the dollar contiunes to struggle prices will contiune to rise.

Sorry for the long post.

Mike

[Misty IV]

dieselhp, went to Pulaski today by way of Oswego. Diesel prices between Fulton & Oswego 4.41 - Pulaski 4.31, 4.29, 4.28 Flying J Gibson, Pa went down to 4.15. Lets hope down continues thru summer.

Did you happen to catch what the prices were for regular 87 octane gasoline in and around Pulaski? I have been filling the truck and boat at the Mobil in Port Ontario or the Sunoco in Pulaski. But, this season, given all the profits shown by Exxon/Mobil, I think I may start driving the extra distance every time into Pulaski to fill up. I read somewhere, also, that Sunoco does not import any oil to make its gasoline. Exxon/Mobil does!