single hooks on your spoons?

[tiogafishaddict]

How many of ya's use single hooks? On the boat we have it came with a huge assortment of spoons half of which have singles.

[Sk8man]

I switched out all trebles to Mustad 3x and 5x Siwash Salmon hooks (1/0 to 3/o on all spoons and have left trebles only on stick baits and flies....They don't catch in the net as easily, better hookups, the fish can't work the hooks against each other to free himself, they are more compact in the tackle boxes, and they don't snag up on everytting as bad on the boat. I switched out approx. 1,500 to 2,000 lures but over quite a longtime buying in hundred packs.

Edited August 17, 2014 by Sk8man

[Kevin J Legg]

About half mine have single hooks and they sure do tangle much less, They also store well and don't hang up in the net as has been said.

[tiogafishaddict]

Thanks guys. At first I shy away from using them. But now I have confidence it won't reduce hook ups while saving dome of the mess

[LongLine]

The only spoons I haven't switched out to singles are my DWSS.

 

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[Dick]

I use trebles in senaca on my lures because i hate releasing one eyed landlocks or brain dead gull bait.

darn little landlocks think they are big fish. good points to both sides.

[Great Lakes Lure Maker]

Years ago switched to all single hooks. Treble hooks were too much trouble to get free, (net and otherwise) and seemed to do the most damage to fish intended to be released. Especially the 8-12 inch fish. Les made some very good points, and I would say the same applies here. 

[Adk1]

And links to these single hooks would be appreciated

[Sk8man]

 ADK -Glad I bought mine years ago when they were much cheaper but there they are:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Mustad-Classic-Hollow-Salmon-Siwash/dp/B00DT0SSKW/ref=pd_sim_sbs_sg_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=14Y0XC9QFHHNXTDJBJZB

 

A good alternative may be:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Owner-Stinger-Siwash-Hooks/dp/B00ECIM0Z4/ref=pd_sim_sbs_sg_8?ie=UTF8&refRID=08CFDX64J3AT3Y0H4977

 

 

Another  possible alternative if you can't find Mustad Siwash Salmon Hooks may be these VMC's but I don't think they are hardened stainless (3x or 5x's)

 

 

http://www.cabelas.com/product/VMCreg-Siwash-Hooks/739723.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3FN%3D0%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dsiwash%2Bhook%26WT.srch%3D1%26WT.tsrc%3DPPC%26rid%3D20%26WT.mc_id%3DMICROSOFT|fis_Terminal%2BTackle_Hooks|USA%26WT.z_mc_id1%3D43700001510178769%26gclid%3DCNDDhdaWnsACFcol4AodQHoAjQ%26gclsrc%3Dds&Ntt=siwash+hook&WTz_l=PPC

Edited August 19, 2014 by Sk8man

[Adk1]

Kinda sucks they don't even have 1/0 or 3/0 size

[Sk8man]

The Owners Stinger hooks do and they could be just as good on freshwater fish but it doesn't say how many come in a package in the ad

 

Here is another alternative - http://www.amazon.com/Gamakatsu-Pack-Open-Siwash-Hook/dp/B003P9EIHO/ref=pd_sim_sg_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=105N4QMGF1XCWCSWN2F3

Edited August 19, 2014 by Sk8man

[pieman9155]

The Owners Stinger hooks do and they could be just as good on freshwater fish but it doesn't say how many come in a package in the ad

 

Here is another alternative - http://www.amazon.com/Gamakatsu-Pack-Open-Siwash-Hook/dp/B003P9EIHO/ref=pd_sim_sg_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=105N4QMGF1XCWCSWN2F3

25 in a pack

[Great Lakes Lure Maker]

I believe Jans Netcraft catalog has them, but its not on the web site. I couldn't find them on it, so i ordered their catalog. They have 1/0-2/0-3/0 Mustad siwash hooks. Order # 9510xxxs. 100 hooks for 30.49.

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[tiogafishaddict]

Single hooks worked great. Didn't miss or lose anymore fish then I have on trebles. Was 3/3 one morning with singles on black/purple mag spoon. Thanks for the help!

[Adk1]

Will the single hooks allow for more spoon action?

[LongLine]

The spoons that you change to single will wobble more at slower speeds, however will spinout sooner as you speed up.  If you want the same action at the same speeds then you have to bend them a little.  The singles while being lighter also have less drag in the water.

 

Tom B.

(LongLine)

[hermit]

Jann's has them online, they're hidden cleverly away under "salmon/egg hooks"... go figure.  Great place to get supplies in bulk. http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/salmon-hooks/810614.aspx

 

I believe Jans Netcraft catalog has them, but its not on the web site. I couldn't find them on it, so i ordered their catalog. They have 1/0-2/0-3/0 Mustad siwash hooks. Order # 9510xxxs. 100 hooks for 30.49.

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Edited September 3, 2014 by hermit

[Sk8man]

A little tip when using these hooks as replacements - Make sure you compress the eyelet completely with pliers when you put it on the split ring otherwise it can hang upon your line or possibly come off if the opening is left large enough.

[tiogafishaddict]

Thanks ! I sure did compress eyelets. I only run four rods. 5 if I'm feeling crazy... So I'm really really careful with it all. My chances are less as it is lol

[Tim Bromund]

As LongLine mentioned, unless you match the weight of the single to the weight of the treble it's replacing, you will change the action of the spoon.  Sometimes you want to do this depending on the weight of the blank and what it's effective trolling speed is. 

 

Take an NK for example, they are a fairly heavy blank and it is almost impossible to run them too fast, but hang dead at slower speeds. Evil Eyes on the other hand are a very thin, light blank and have superb, fish catching action at slow speeds, but will spin out at the speeds an NK is effective at.  If you try running both in the same spread one or the other isn't going to be running right.

 

You can mitigate this to an extent by changing the weight of the hook.  A heavier hook than the stock one will allow the slower running spoon to be run effectively at higher speeds and conversely, a lighter hook will allow the heavier spoon to have action at slower speeds.  This may be something you want to do intentionally with your lures, but you have to do some on the water testing to make sure your swap doesn't mess up the action of a lure you've previously had good luck with.

 

Just something to consider when swapping hooks out, if you want the spoon the run the same the same way and at the speeds you are used to running it at, you need to match the weight of the new hook as closely as possible to the weight of the hook it is replacing.  I have a digital grain scale that I use for checking powder loads for reloading ammunition.  These are very sensitive and can give you a good idea how much the weight of the hooks and thereby, the affect on the action may be.

[peddler]

25 in a pack

 

25 in a pack

Owner Stinger Siwash size 1/0 are 6 per pack and size 3/0 are 5 per pack

[Sk8man]

Tim makes some good points regarding weight compatibility  of hook replacement on spoons.  I look at it from a little different angle after many years of using the Mustad SS singles instead of standard trebles. Unless you go way outside the box say with a 5/0 hook on a 2 inch spoon my trolling speeds are constantly changing due to my motor cycling up and down periodically as well as my own manual speed adjustments which often are nearly continuous.  This means that the speed of the lure is never long at the original speed or action  I first tested and/or tuned  it at so there is a very wide range of speeds experienced as well as things like wind and current interactions, I try to run compatible lures (as Tim mentioned) within a broad range but I accept the fact that there will be intermittent times when any one of the spoons may be out of the optimal speed and action range - but sometimes this is what triggers fish to bite also....when the lure looks "odd" or "vulnerable" in the water and is not "synchronized" with the others and this would apply whether singles or trebles are on the spoon.  Just a different way of viewing the issue....

Edited September 3, 2014 by Sk8man

[Great Lakes Lure Maker]

Jann's has them online, they're hidden cleverly away under "salmon/egg hooks"... go figure. Great place to get supplies in bulk. http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/salmon-hooks/810614.aspx

Oh, I wouldn't doubt that. I looked thru what I thought was all of them, but I didn't see them. Im sure it was right under my nose and i missed it. But i got the catalog now, just in case.

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[tiogafishaddict]

Thanks again without knowing all the details. Most of the spoons I inherrited were nk's and a few others I'm not sure but I did test them in the water while running. And felt much better after I had hits on both riggers. I have been marking my box at the slowest speed on each spoon as I use them. Just started really trying to have some faith in spoons this season. I have only got 4 kings on spoons this season. That's 4 more then I ever have I'm trying to keep at least one out at all times. Not counting a cheater.

[tiogafishaddict]

Thanks again without knowing all the details. Most of the spoons I inherrited were nk's and a few others I'm not sure but I did test them in the water while running. And felt much better after I had hits on both riggers. I have been marking my box at the slowest speed on each spoon as I use them. Just started really trying to have some faith in spoons this season. I have only got 4 kings on spoons this season. That's 4 more then I ever have I'm trying to keep at least one out at all times. Not counting a cheater.