New temporary "no-wake" within 500' of shoreline.

[jimski2]

The Power Authority people are enthused about all the extra power they will sell with the high lake levels.

[jlogger]

On 5/5/2017 at 5:51 PM, A-Lure-A said:

Does anybody know if they are enforcing no wake on irondequoit bay?

I don't think they can actually "enforce" it unless a state of emergency has been declared. I heard the deputies at the marine unit on the river describe it as a request/recommendation for right now. Looking at the water though, Mayer's gas pump is in water etc, it seems like it should be enforceable.

[Lucky13]

44 minutes ago, jlogger said:

I don't think they can actually "enforce" it unless a state of emergency has been declared. I heard the deputies at the marine unit on the river describe it as a request/recommendation for right now. Looking at the water though, Mayer's gas pump is in water etc, it seems like it should be enforceable.

You can be held liable for any damage that can be attributed to your wake, so it makes sense to keep it very slow.  I've heard reports that the bluffs on the Webster side have been sloughing off, send a big wall of water into German Village and you might draw some attention from the homeowners.

[RUNNIN REBEL]

Lake Ontario just TIED the all time record HIGH LEVEL at 248.46 Feet from the 1973 flood era......Congratulations to every marina & business & property I visited yesterday from Rochester to Niagara River.... What a heart breaking mess

Jerry

RUNNIN REBEL

[lineman49]

   Just wondering if any Class action suit against the dam holders is in the works for all the damage going on? Just a thought.

[weave]

   Just wondering if any Class action suit against the dam holders is in the works for all the damage going on? Just a thought.

Montreal is flooding too, and they are downstream of the dam. There is nowhere to drain the lake more quickly.


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[muskiedreams]

2 minutes ago, lineman49 said:

   Just wondering if any Class action suit against the dam holders is in the works for all the damage going on? Just a thought.

Read the news from Montreal. The flooding there is pretty bad. They don't have the waves to contend with but the flooding there is worse. Many areas in Canada have been experiencing heavy rains and flooding. The Ottawa River is raging right now and it enters the St. Lawrence just above Montreal. The Dam on the St. Lawrence is upstream from there. If they let more water past the dam, it will make matters much worse for them.

 

It is just an unfortunate situation due to the excessive amount of rain we have had this spring. It still would have happened under the old water level control program.

[fisherdude]

mother nature been mean to us lately . the 2014 Act is hurting us worst . with the city of Montreal ,Canada gone under the government of Canada is New York only hope  .the USA politician have a blind eye ,  hope this brings them back to drawing board . 

[Silver Fox]

1" of water let out of the lake adds 10" to Montreal. We're screwed. Not letting enough water out in the winter did the damage or we'd be a foot lower.

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[RUNNIN REBEL]

Right on Scott. You cannot blame all this weather on the 2014 plan, BUT the new response in this plan is a more Natural release of water resulting in HIGHER-high waters and LOWER -low waters. And No range to conform to anymore AND no action must be take anymore, PLUS No compensation was every set aside(was part of the 2014 deal). The mess was happening last year to get to this point now.

Jerry

RUNNIN REBEL

[Lucky13]

http://ijc.org/greatlakesconnection/en/2017/04/lake-ontario-st-lawrence-river-levels-rise-following-april-rains/

[RUNNIN REBEL]

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[RUNNIN REBEL]

"Lake Ontario St. Lawrence River Plan 2014"

"Protecting against extreme water levels, restoring wetlands and preparing for climate change"

"The International Joint Commission, after 14 years of scientific study and public engagement, advances Plan 2014 as the preferred option for regulating Lake Ontario-St. Lawrence River water levels and flows."

 

"Plan 2014 is designed to provide for more natural variations of water levels of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawrence River that are needed to restore ecosystem health. It will continue to moderate extreme high and low levels, better maintain system-wide levels for navigation, frequently extend the recreational boating season and slightly increase hydropower production. More year-to-year variation in water levels improves coastal health."

The plan also allows "triggers" that would allow the International Joint Commission to take emergency actions in the event of high or low water conditions". WHERE IS THE EMERGENCY ACTION YET ? WE JUST TIED AND BROKEN THE ALL TIME RECORD LAKE LEVEL ........

"Plan 2014 supporters say the current plan has resulted in stability in lake levels BINGO-YATZEE-HOME RUN STATEMENT THERE.., but has resulted in an "unhealthy lake," adversely affecting the lake's 63,000 acres of surrounding wetlands. They note the absence of variable highs and lows have killed off certain native plants in the wetlands, causing congested "confields" of cattails with little or no open water.

They say that numbers of ducks, terns and muskrats have decreased and that many spawning areas for northern pike have disappeared.

The plan has been endorsed by environmentalist and outdoors sportsmen's groups alike, including the Nature Conservancy, New York Audubon, the New York State Conservation Council and Ducks Unlimited. 

Jim Howe, executive director of the Central and Western New York Chapters of the Nature Conservancy, described Plan 2014 as "a once-in-a-generation opportunity to restore the health of a great lake." The plan represents the largest wetlands restoration effort in the United States outside of the Florida Everglades.

Critics of Plan 2014 - including numerous municipalities along the lake, fearful property owners and some businesses along the lake's south shore from Oswego to Niagara - favored keeping the current plan in place. They scoffed at the idea of putting "muskrats and cattails above property values." They said the plan will result in unacceptable highs and lows that cause erosion from high waters to dried up dock slips and shorelines.

In addition, they say the estimated $2.3 million in annual negative impacts projected by the plan was grossly under-estimated - adding the plan contains no promises or built-in provisions for more federal or state aid to deal with problems it might cause. IJC officials confirmed that today, saying money for such problems would have to come from state or federal governments.

Jack Steincamp, of Sodus, founder of LORA (Lake Ontario Riparian Alliance)," a group that pushed for keeping the status quo, said many have "no clue what an extra foot or lack of a foot means to the people living along the lake's shore or doing business in its marinas and harbors

 

 

Any thing with IJC (International joint Commission) on it is from same people who studied this for actually 16 years(not 14 years) at a cost of  OVER $20 MILLION DOLLARS just too study........Plus no funding was set aside as per signed treaty.  Every south shore Riparian meeting I attended  was filled with Environmentalist wording---"Climate change" -more natural water release" -Flooding and low water cycles helps the bays and ponds, Then Government officials back that up with "slight increase in $$$$ generating hydropower.--Extending boating season===== That is how this 2014 plan helped get us to this point, by not releasing water last may/June and forward.. 

Jerry

RUNNIN REBEL

 

 

Edited May 8, 2017 by RUNNIN REBEL

[RUNNIN REBEL]

UPDATE: Just announced

 

Meeting at our town hall this week to "Discuss with the town tax assessor about having waterfront properties and flooded property tax assessments reduced"  

So everyone else in our town may have to pick up the current tax base reduction. That leaves all the farmers and homeowners to pay, Which one of them pays the higher TAX RATE would you guess ?

 

Jerry

RUNNIN REBEL

[Silver Fox]

I'll tell ya, the bulls#&t we put up with in this state is overwhelming. Wanna bet in the next 2 years well be drier than a bone and you won't be able to get a canoe out of Sandy. As much as I'd like a bigger boat someday, I don't like the b.s.going on now to ever take the financial chance. 7 years till the kid is out and that may be the same with me.

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[Lucky13]

1 hour ago, RUNNIN REBEL said:

"Lake Ontario St. Lawrence River Plan 2014"

"Protecting against extreme water levels, restoring wetlands and preparing for climate change"

"The International Joint Commission, after 14 years of scientific study and public engagement, advances Plan 2014 as the preferred option for regulating Lake Ontario-St. Lawrence River water levels and flows."

 

"Plan 2014 is designed to provide for more natural variations of water levels of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawrence River that are needed to restore ecosystem health. It will continue to moderate extreme high and low levels, better maintain system-wide levels for navigation, frequently extend the recreational boating season and slightly increase hydropower production. More year-to-year variation in water levels improves coastal health."

The plan also allows "triggers" that would allow the International Joint Commission to take emergency actions in the event of high or low water conditions". WHERE IS THE EMERGENCY ACTION YET ? WE JUST TIED AND BROKEN THE ALL TIME RECORD LAKE LEVEL ........

"Plan 2014 supporters say the current plan has resulted in stability in lake levels BINGO-YATZEE-HOME RUN STATEMENT THERE.., but has resulted in an "unhealthy lake," adversely affecting the lake's 63,000 acres of surrounding wetlands. They note the absence of variable highs and lows have killed off certain native plants in the wetlands, causing congested "confields" of cattails with little or no open water.

They say that numbers of ducks, terns and muskrats have decreased and that many spawning areas for northern pike have disappeared.

The plan has been endorsed by environmentalist and outdoors sportsmen's groups alike, including the Nature Conservancy, New York Audubon, the New York State Conservation Council and Ducks Unlimited. 

Jim Howe, executive director of the Central and Western New York Chapters of the Nature Conservancy, described Plan 2014 as "a once-in-a-generation opportunity to restore the health of a great lake." The plan represents the largest wetlands restoration effort in the United States outside of the Florida Everglades.

Critics of Plan 2014 - including numerous municipalities along the lake, fearful property owners and some businesses along the lake's south shore from Oswego to Niagara - favored keeping the current plan in place. They scoffed at the idea of putting "muskrats and cattails above property values." They said the plan will result in unacceptable highs and lows that cause erosion from high waters to dried up dock slips and shorelines.

In addition, they say the estimated $2.3 million in annual negative impacts projected by the plan was grossly under-estimated - adding the plan contains no promises or built-in provisions for more federal or state aid to deal with problems it might cause. IJC officials confirmed that today, saying money for such problems would have to come from state or federal governments.

Jack Steincamp, of Sodus, founder of LORA (Lake Ontario Riparian Alliance)," a group that pushed for keeping the status quo, said many have "no clue what an extra foot or lack of a foot means to the people living along the lake's shore or doing business in its marinas and harbors

Any thing with IJC (International joint Commission) on it is from same people who studied this for actually 16 years at a cost of  OVER $20 MILLION DOLLARS........Plus no funding was set aside as per signed treaty.  Every south shore Riparian meeting I attended  was filled with Environmentalist wording---"Climate change" -more natural water release" -Flooding and low water cycles helps the bays and ponds, Then Government officials back that up with "slight increase in $$$$ generating hydropower.--Extending boating season===== That is how this 2014 plan helped get us to this point, by not releasing water last may/June and forward.. 

 

 

The 2014 plan did not become effective on LO until 1/1/2017, last summer they were still working with 58 d.  And the lake was extremely low last fall, USACE was unable to complete their work in Braddocks then due to low water making it impossible to get their dredge in.

 

I agree about funding for compensation, many years ago Don Zelazny, the Great Lakes Coordinator for NYSDEC, spoke to the need for mitigation for damages in any plan put forward, but somehow that escaped the attention of the Feds.  But even Frank Sciremammano, who heads the Control Board and has been a vocal critic of Plan 2014 has indicated that which plan makes no difference in this discussion, this is caused by the extraordinary rains of early April.  

[RUNNIN REBEL]

The 2014 plan did not become effective on LO until 1/1/2017, last summer they were still working with 58 d.  And the lake was extremely low last fall, USACE was unable to complete their work in Braddocks then due to low water making it impossible to get their dredge in.

 

I agree about funding for compensation, many years ago Don Zelazny, the Great Lakes Coordinator for NYSDEC, spoke to the need for mitigation for damages in any plan put forward, but somehow that escaped the attention of the Feds.  But even Frank Sciremammano, who heads the Control Board and has been a vocal critic of Plan 2014 has indicated that which plan makes no difference in this discussion, this is caused by the extraordinary rains of early April.  

 

 

So how does the 2014 help out the current situation we are in for the longtime future outlook?

I will repeat again

3 hours ago, RUNNIN REBEL said:

Right on Scott. You cannot blame all this weather on the 2014 plan, BUT the new response in this plan is a more Natural release of water resulting in HIGHER-high waters and LOWER -low waters. And No range to conform to anymore AND no action must be take anymore, PLUS No compensation was every set aside(was part of the 2014 deal). The mess was happening last year to get to this point now.

Jerry

RUNNIN REBEL

Not blaming the weather on plan 2014 

Again

49 minutes ago, Lucky13 said:

The plan also allows "triggers" that would allow the International Joint Commission to take emergency actions in the event of high or low water conditions". WHERE IS THE EMERGENCY ACTION YET ? WE JUST TIED AND BROKEN THE ALL TIME RECORD LAKE LEVEL ........

"Plan 2014 supporters say the current plan has resulted in stability in lake levels

Do you really believe the technical start date of 1/1/2017 is when they officially started the planning or is now surprised by the high lake levels. The Mother nature they studied for16 years just surprised them with this lake level now instead of later this year during "The extended boating seasons of the future"

As far as Braddocks go , me-you & Vince can discuss that at next meeting. The time to put stone in is when the water is low, NOT now at record highs. I will send pics of the piles of stone there now.

 

Mitigation damages were discussed and numbers unofficially agreed upon, the sticking point was no money was put aside and the future  lost revenue  to the town & county & NY State tax base income ---because of lost businesses/shoreline tax valuations lower and mainly clean up/repair to government entities like State beaches & campgrounds plus water treatment plants ETC... was never calculated in and as for the calculation for government loses, there is no formula high enuff for that cost.

 

Jerry

RUNNIN REBEL

Edited May 8, 2017 by RUNNIN REBEL

[Lucky13]

http://w3.lre.usace.army.mil/hh/ForecastData/DailyLevelsEnglish.pdf

 

They were staying pretty close to 2016 levels until the April rains.  Flooding is an issue all over the place this year, Black Creek,  Oatka Creek, and Irondequoit Creek  were all out of bank on Saturday into Sunday. we really need a dry spell for a while.

[RUNNIN REBEL]

15 hours ago, Lucky13 said:

http://w3.lre.usace.army.mil/hh/ForecastData/DailyLevelsEnglish.pdf

 

They were staying pretty close to 2016 levels until the April rains.  Flooding is an issue all over the place this year, Black Creek,  Oatka Creek, and Irondequoit Creek  were all out of bank on Saturday into Sunday. we really need a dry spell for a while.

 

AGREED  !!!!!!!!!!

Latest news/talk I forgot to mention while in Olcott sunday was the Dam at 18 mile creek/Olcott was getting concerns about overflows or worse........

 

Jerry

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[muskiedreams]

We need 2 or 3 weeks of no rain just to turn it around. I imagine farmers are waiting for many their fields to dry out so they can plant.

[Silver Fox]

Just heard on the radio in an interview with an ijc member that if their ends up being room to put Ontario's water into lake St louis, Ontario will not go below 248' unless it drops on its own. This cannot be overridden. Meaning we could have high water all year.

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[Lucky13]

Adam Choduck from Channel 8 went up to Montreal, was interviewed on Bob Lonsberry last hour.  He spoke with two Board of Control members, one was Frank Sciramammano.   They reiterated that the current situation was caused by the rains.  According to his reports, there is currently no downstream capacity, in some areas of Montreal water is 4 or more feet deep in the roads. Frank did say that "dewatering" the lake is problematic under 2014, as they need a unanimous vote of the board.  There may be a detailed report on Channel 8 news later.   The predictions in the USACE chart I posted the link for indicate high water into late summer or early fall.

Edited May 9, 2017 by Lucky13

[RUNNIN REBEL]

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It's getting tuff to describe the situation out there now.......


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Edited May 9, 2017 by RUNNIN REBEL

[mostlymuskies]

Lake Erie is also very high water level,near the top of the permanent launch docks at Town of Tonawanda Boat Launch in the Niagara River.Just look at this mud line from the Cat to Woodlawn Bar!

[KilliansRed]

This is a first. Looks like a full staircase floating about 400 feet off shore.


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