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keep your chin up kid the first year i fished ontario i skunked my first 2 trips then i read, read, and read some more mostly www.attheoak.com ,had some close calls but never got skunked for the last 6 years . so do your home work do some lurking here and fire away with your questions you got a lot of helping hands here and we all had those slow learning curves and feel your pain. and your right when the rods dont fire it stinks .where you outa maybe someone can show ya the roaps on the water.Ray K.

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