Tying copper to a micro swivel

[Chaff]

What is the best knot to tie copper to a micro swivel. Any info would be greatly appreciated thank you. 

[Sk8man]

Probably a version of "wire knot" called a "haywire twist". Put the wire through the eye of the swivel and loop it once or twice through it then make it look like a 'hang mans noose" by winding the remaining end of the wire around the main part of the wire (cut off any remaining end as necessary).

Edited August 21, 2019 by Sk8man

[Chaff]

Thanks

[Lucky13]

Does anyone use metal crimps and crimping pliers for this purpose, or are those mainly used on steel lines?  I got a bunch of bead chains and crimps at Sutton's years back, and I used them for this on a Victrola, but of course I didn't have to worry about guides on that.

[Sk8man]

At least in my own experience over the years the crimps are not real great used on copper or monel wire (i.e. the softer wires) of any type and are reserved for stainless wire situations as the crimp material is harder than the soft wires yet softer than the stainless so breakage and damage to the wire itself is reduced. The particular method of crimping is also of concern as crimping too tight  or too loose even on stainless can create its own set of problems by either pinching the wire at the edge of the crimp weakening it and encouraging later failure or in the latter case allowing too much play letting the wire wiggle back in forth at the edge of the crimp leading to later failure.  I carefully crimp terminal connections making sure the crimp is evenly distributed and then use a glue gun to melt plastic over the crimp and terminus to keep everything intact to prevent wiggling or any movement at the edges of the crimp and have never had one fail that way at that point. I know that some salt water applications involve the use of crimps even with heavy mono but it is risky if you don't do it exactly right.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Sk8man

[Lucky13]

Thank you very much.  I guess I never had problems because the spring motor on the Victrola broke not long after, and I have yet to find a parts place for Victrola's.

[Sk8man]

Yeah I hear ya ....been there too. On the copper jerking rig i used the haywire twist but kept a loop before I did the wrap around of the end of the copper wire so the spoon (usually a Pfleuger or look alike) would have "play" in it for better action.

[Sk8man]

Hey Chaff. I forgot to mention that if you decide to dispense with the swivel an Albright knot is a good alternative.

[redjay05]

Maybe my bad luck, but I used the SPRO micro swivels and had 3 break at the joint this year loosing 2 300 and 2 200 coppers.

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[redjay05]

4* break.

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[Sk8man]

I would suggest the standard #8 Spro swivels instead of the micros. They go through most standard rod eyes and tips and are rated for 50 lb. breaking strength. I  have used them for years with every type of set-up imaginable and never a failure of the swivel.The #10's will also do the job but you are much more limited to smaller line diameters for tying knots (e.g. using copper or leadcore)

[redjay05]

Im pretty gun shy now, but i do like the cleanliness of the connection the swivel offers

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